2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Flames have amassed the 2nd most points in the league to date. Providing there are no injuries or major slumps in the 2nd half of the season I fail to see any reason to make any changes to what is working very well. One of the worst trades Darryl Sutter ever made was moving Ference and Kobasew for Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau. He sent out two of the more popular players in the locker room for a guy that didn't want to be there long term in Stuart and the team wasn't the same after.

Ference doesn't like to party though so...

[flamesgod]

For me it’s Stone as the deadline big fish acquisition or nothing. He checks off all the boxes for me. His brother would be able to help with the transition to a new team. I’d look to sign him in the off season too.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Ryan isn't a perfect player by any means, but he has a niche role. Getting out of that contact makes sense only if you have a plan to fill that role next year and beyond. There is no internal option that is doing that right now, if we look at handedness. I mean we could go back to a winger taking late game defensive zone draws on the right side...

Do we need a 4th liner making north of $3M? I agree that Ryan is not useless and brings some value especially in the face off circle which makes him an effective PKer.

Maybe my concerns about the cap next year are overblown but I would hate to lose a good young player because of the contracts we have at the bottom of our roster which include Ryan, Stone, Frolik and unfortunately Neal. Frolik is likely the easiest of the cap hits to move followed by Ryan.

Brassard would be an offensive upgrade on Ryan and could be a nice fit with Neal. It would open up an additional $3M in cap space for the summer. I would hope Dube or a cheaper replacement could handle the 4th line duties that Ryan currently takes care of.

I believe Ryan was signed to be our 3rd line C and he is clearly the 4th line guy. While this deal is not regrettable like the Neal signing I don’t think it was a good move either. At the end of the day I doubt the Pens would want see Ryan as an upgrade on Brassard and someone they would want to be tied to for another 2 years after this one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

For me it’s Stone as the deadline big fish acquisition or nothing. He checks off all the boxes for me. His brother would be able to help with the transition to a new team. I’d look to sign him in the off season too.

How could the Flames afford 2 deals that likely eclipse $8M aav while also signing a goalie? The only way would be to somehow impossibly move Neal’s contract without taking any salary back

[Pickle Juice]

Pure Speculation on my part, but after reading Friedman’s 31 thoughts, apparently there was some serious discussion with the Blues regarding Dougie Hamilton at the draft. With the Hamilton trade resulting in a multiplayer deal, it’s probably fair to say there was a multiplayer deal being discussed with the Blues. Obliviously BT was intrigued with one or more players on the blues roster so is there a possibility that he still is?

Brayden Schenn, is still young and has a manageable cap hit. Joel Edmundson would also fit on the 3LD and would bring some grit to the lineup. It’s no secret we have had interest in Maroon that dates back to when the Oil traded for him. What about David Perron? Maybe bring him back to help Neal get his game back?

I’m not saying that BT will make a trade for multiple players, but for me the Blues seem like an interesting trade partner.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Take this with a grain of salt but the same guy who told me way back in the day that Monny signed and at what number a few days before it was announced just told me the flames have a minor deal in place with an eastern team that should pull through in the next few days. Hes told me some stuff in the past that never came to fruition. I know he has some connections on the east coast though.

Wont tell me more than that.

Bump.

I was thinking about this in relation to Hes’ conjecture that it would be Stone to Ottawa for a late pick. At first, I thought the circumstances were against it. Even if Bennett makes 2.5-3, I still don’t think the cap situation demands they trade Stone. More importantly, the team has been rumoured to be looking for depth on defence.

But “that should pull through in the next few days” would make sense if Stone were being dealt because Stone may need a few days to be cleared to play (Francis). Also, if they were acquiring a playable asset, why wait a few days? I suppose the other team might be wavering but then they don’t have the deal in place. Therefore, a pick coming back would make sense. It would also give the Flames’ cap flexibility as they could arguably fill Stone’s spot on the depth chart with a <$1M player.

I’ve always wanted the Flames to rid themselves of that contract (from the day it was signed) so I certainly wouldn’t mind if Hes was right!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Bump.

I was thinking about this in relation to Hes’ conjecture that it would be Stone to Ottawa for a late pick. At first, I thought the circumstances were against it. Even if Bennett makes 2.5-3, I still don’t think the cap situation demands they trade Stone. More importantly, the team has been rumoured to be looking for depth on defence.

But “that should pull through in the next few days” would make sense if Stone were being dealt because Stone may need a few days to be cleared to play (Francis). Also, if they were acquiring a playable asset, why wait a few days? I suppose the other team might be wavering but then they don’t have the deal in place. Therefore, a pick coming back would make sense. It would also give the Flames’ cap flexibility as they could arguably fill Stone’s spot on the depth chart with a <$1M player.

I’ve always wanted the Flames to rid themselves of that contract (from the day it was signed) so I certainly wouldn’t mind if Hes was right!

The thing is, Stone’s cap hit does not hurt the Flames this season, and his contract number is the only reason they would be eager to move him. It doesn’t make any sense to trade Stone heading into the playoffs. He is exactly the type of player the Flames will want in April and May.


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[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How could the Flames afford 2 deals that likely eclipse $8M aav while also signing a goalie? The only way would be to somehow impossibly move Neal’s contract without taking any salary back

Yes, and if they’re moving out Neal to make room for Mark, that only likely increases the assets the Flames must send away as Neal almost certainly has negative trade value at this point.

I think that deal might look something like: Andersson/Valimaki, 1st, Neal, Bennett/Jankowski for Mark.

Another option might be to send out Frolik, who might still be a positive asset, plus a 1st and Andersson.

Although, the GM matchup does seem to favour the Flames.

[Ozy_Flame]

Dreger tweeted that Florida may be moving pieces, and that depth defenseman Bogdan Kiselevich is available.

28 years old, left-hand shot, played for years in the KHL, cheap cap hit (under $1 million), and has 8 assists on the season. Also won gold with Russia at the Olympics last year.

Perhaps this is a guy the Flames look at for a depth defenseman?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dreger tweeted that Florida may be moving pieces, and that depth defenseman Bogdan Kiselevich is available.

28 years old, left-hand shot, played for years in the KHL, cheap cap hit (under $1 million), and has 8 assists on the season. Also won gold with Russia at the Olympics last year.

Perhaps this is a guy the Flames look at for a depth defenseman?

This is the only type of move I'd like to see. Dont give up much and get a serviceable depth option.

[Heavy Jack]

My guess - Stone to Ottawa for JG Pageau

Then 4th for Kronwall near the deadline.

This team is just too good to split up or make major adjustments to the roster especially with the MMM line back and performing well.

[Toonage]

Stone isn't being dealt. For one, the Flames want depth on D, and most importantly the guy is on the IR and while we are pretty sure he will be fine I can't see any team trading for someone who has a chance to never play again.

[Nelson]

I like Mats Zucarrello as a low-cost rental. He’s definitely a buy low option. His PDO is 94.0 and so he’s having an off season with respect to counting stats (still, 21 points in 33 games on a terrible team), but his relative possession metrics are all good.

If this truly is a buyer’s market, maybe this is an opportunity to add depth scoring for cheap?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Stone isn't being dealt. For one, the Flames want depth on D, and most importantly the guy is on the IR and while we are pretty sure he will be fine I can't see any team trading for someone who has a chance to never play again.

There was a report he could return soon. It doesn’t sound like this is a career-ending illness.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Yes, and if they’re moving out Neal to make room for Mark, that only likely increases the assets the Flames must send away as Neal almost certainly has negative trade value at this point.

I think that deal might look something like: Andersson/Valimaki, 1st, Neal, Bennett/Jankowski for Mark.

Another option might be to send out Frolik, who might still be a positive asset, plus a 1st and Andersson.

Although, the GM matchup does seem to favour the Flames.

I don’t think moving Frolik alone would allow the Flames the space to keep Stone. If they want to sign Stone and Tkachuk I think they will need to move Neal, Frolik and one of Stone/Ryan or Brodie/Hamonic

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

How could the Flames afford 2 deals that likely eclipse $8M aav while also signing a goalie? The only way would be to somehow impossibly move Neal’s contract without taking any salary back

Not that difficult actually. Frolik would be easy to move. Neal would be tough to move. But it’s about priorities. Not that I want to move Backlund but I’m sure you could get a first for him in the offseason.
Could also move a D man if the young guys are deemed good enough to take on a bigger role.
Gaudreau Monahan Lindholm
Tkachuk Jankowski Stone
??? Bennett/Ryan ???

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Nelson

There was a report he could return soon. It doesn’t sound like this is a career-ending illness.

Thus the "pretty sure he will be fine" comment.

But why would a team deal for him now when they aren't 100% sure? Why would the Flames move an important depth piece?

Nothing about moving Stone makes sense right now. Off season? Absolutely. But not now.

[GioforPM]

Jankowski+ for Perron. Not a huge cap hit,chemistry with Neal, having a decent season. Blues aren't in great cap shape and look to be needing to rebuild again.

I'd rather it was Ryan because of age, but that's why the Blues wouldn't do it.

[Canada 02]

Great news

https://www.tsn.ca/ducks-kesler-has-...-nmc-1.1242292

$6.875M anchor for 3 more seasons

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Jankowski+ for Perron. Not a huge cap hit,chemistry with Neal, having a decent season. Blues aren't in great cap shape and look to be needing to rebuild again.

I'd rather it was Ryan because of age, but that's why the Blues wouldn't do it.

Yuck. No thank you.