Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

Pretty sure he already realizes it.

Lucky for us, there isn't a thing he can do about it until July 1st, 2022


EDIT: Also, Edmonton is No Good

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

He already knows hes underpaid. He wasnt when he signed though.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

Maybe, maybe he's already reached that point.. but so? Don't mean to be dismissive but honestly so what? What happens when he realizes that, why is it something to be concerned about?

[AC]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

I'd say it was pretty clear Johnny thought he was getting underpaid the minute he signed his deal.

He even announced the contract on Twitter with:

"I have decided to re-sign with the Calgary Flames."

Came across as kind of reluctant to me. Certainly seemed like he thought he was worth more. I recall he was on Spittin Chiclets fairly soon after and mentioned something about seeing the deals Eichel and McDavid/Draisaitl were getting and how the contracts all skyrocketed the summer after his deal.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Maybe, maybe he's already reached that point.. but so? Don't mean to be dismissive but honestly so what? What happens when he realizes that, why is it something to be concerned about?

So what? Players have held out for far less.

Ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Nieuwendyk

[AC]

Originally Posted by troutman

So what? Players have held out for far less.

Ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Nieuwendyk

"(Nieuwendyk) insisted on renegotiating the deal"

Which isn't an option in today's CBA. Or did he walk away from his arbitration award, is that allowed? I know teams can only walk away from awards above a certain $ value.

I don't think players can refuse an arbitration award anymore either. Only teams have the option, and only if the player initiated the arbitration process and the awarded contract is higher than $3.5M:

The decision of the arbitrator is binding, although teams can walk away from an award in excess of $3.5 million if the salary arbitration hearing was player-elected (note: that $3.5 million figure is adjusted annually by the same percentage as the increase in average league salary, so the walk away limit is probably several $100,000 higher than $3.5 million this time around).

Clubs cannot walk away from a salary arbitration hearing they've elected.

[Hockeyguy15]

So he is going to sit and not play, not get paid, and not accrue years towards UFA status?

Nah.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by troutman

So what? Players have held out for far less.

Ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Nieuwendyk

I don’t believe players or teams can renegotiate contracts under the CBA and the cap system. I believe his only true option would be KHL. This isn’t a concern.

[Locke]

Thats why he only signed for 6 years instead of 8.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by troutman

So what? Players have held out for far less.

Ex. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Nieuwendyk

Your example is 20+ years old and several CBA's since. Contracts cannot be renegotiated, it's not a concern whatsoever.

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

Yes - but Skittles and Purple Gatorade!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by LWcrowfoot

Your example is 20+ years old and several CBA's since. Contracts cannot be renegotiated, it's not a concern whatsoever.

I see - how it works now, as an example in Trouba's case:


https://section328.com/puck-talk/jus...d-free-agents/

why doesn’t a player just say “screw this – I’ll go and play in some other league”? Well sure – that’s a possibility, but remember that a player still can’t be an unrestricted free agent until they turn 27, so in the case of a player like Trouba, he would have had to stay overseas for five seasons before being able to become a “true” free agent and sign away from Winnipeg. With the salary difference between the NHL and the rest of the leagues in the world, this usually isn’t a viable option, and the team continues to have the negotiating leverage.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Big Erned Nevergivn

Some ammo for when Oilers fans try use McDavid envy in a conversation or even worse when they think it's a no brainer that the flames would trade both Gaudreau and Monahan for McD:

Gaudreau @ 6.75M = 26G 38A 64P = 9.5 Points/Million Salary

McDavid @ 12.5M = 24G 39A 63P = 5.0 Points/Million Salary


But here is the kicker:

Monahan + Gaudreau @ 13.125 = 49G 69A 118P = 9 Points/Million Salary

Not to mention McDavid gets considerable more ice time than either of the flames.

I suppose you have to adjust this number because you end up double counting production wherever Johnny and Monnie combine on a goal (which is a lot).

The first stat is way better. Or else combine Draisaitl and McDavid versus Monahan and Gaudreau for points per million.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by troutman

This is funny and all, but will there come a point where Johnny realizes he is seriously underpaid?

Winnings can fix a lot of things. If the flames can be true contenders for a number of years, I bet he's fine with it, if they stink, he'll be pissed.

[djsFlames]

You're not underpaid if you get to play a game for a living and you're already making roughly the lifetime earnings of an entire town.

The thing that keeps these guys hungry for more is comparing with their fellow players. Edmonton had to go screw that all up by signing a complimentary winger to that ridonculous deal.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

You're not underpaid if you get to play a game for a living and you're already making roughly the lifetime earnings of an entire town.

Would you not feel underpaid if you were earning 54% of your closest comparable colleague in your office?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by AC

Which isn't an option in today's CBA. Or did he walk away from his arbitration award, is that allowed? I know teams can only walk away from awards above a certain $ value.

I don't think players can refuse an arbitration award anymore either. Only teams have the option, and only if the player initiated the arbitration process and the awarded contract is higher than $3.5M:

"Against the rules" didn't bother Keith Tkachuk when he held out mid-contract in order to force an extension. He basically did what Yashin did, but with far less criticism and less pushback from the team.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by troutman

Would you not feel underpaid if you were earning 54% of your closest comparable colleague in your office?

Perhaps?

But I'd also be the one who signed the contract in the first place. Could have held out for more but decided to sign last minute for the deal on the table. So I can sulk and cry about it or put in my best performance knowing there is a big payday coming in 2-3 years.

Gaudreau can feel underpaid but I doubt it's anything we as fans have to worry about.

[burn_this_city]

If Johnny feels bad imagine how Kucherov feels.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

If Johnny feels bad imagine how Kucherov feels.

Pretty good since he starts making 9.5 per starting next year.