2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by jg13

Cases where the stank left off the top of my head
Petry, Hall, Schultz, Dubnyk,

Nope, not here it doesn't. If they get the chance to leave the dumpster, they need to shower somewhere else first.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Nope, not here it doesn't. If they get the chance to leave the dumpster, they need to shower somewhere else first.

So you wouldn't do Smith for Talbot?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by jg13

So you don't want Talbot for Smith?

Nope. Trading one pile of crap for the crap at the bottom of the dumpster is not worth doing. Smith is our problem, no one's taking him off our hands.

[dino7c]

Talbot is a good goalie...hard to judge someone playing behind that team

I would trade for him or sign him to a UFA contract (assuming the dollars are reasonable)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Nope. Trading one pile of crap for the crap at the bottom of the dumpster is not worth doing. Smith is our problem, no one's taking him off our hands.

Talbot is way better and who knows how well he could play behind a decent defence.

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Talbot is way better and who knows how well he could play behind a decent defence.

That may be true. But I don't see the Grease doing anything to help the Flames. And I'm sure they've seen the "Highlights" of Smith. No one is taking him. He's collecting his last paycheck in Calgary.

[dino7c]

I don't think anyone is saying it would actually happen...just that the Flames would do that deal in a heartbeat

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by jg13

So you wouldn't do Smith for Talbot?

Not straight up. Oilers have to add. Smith would also be one of their top four defencemen.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

That may be true. But I don't see the Grease doing anything to help the Flames. And I'm sure they've seen the "Highlights" of Smith. No one is taking him. He's collecting his last paycheck in Calgary.

And yet where there’s Chiarelli there’s always hope.

[TheScorpion]

Alex Wennberg could be a player to watch, and I could see both Alberta teams interested. Young player with term and offensive skill, definitely pass-first. Reminds me a little of Lindholm -- could "pop."

In Edmonton, I don't think he'd work. He fits the bill for the long-term forward they're apparently interested in. But here, I think it'd work very well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Talbot is way better and who knows how well he could play behind a decent defence.

Is Talbot way better? Career backup that put up good numbers behind a solid NYR defense and one solid year as a starter the rest fairly mediocre. I would say there is just as good of a shot that Smith finds his game playing for Hitch than Talbot would here.

Trade makes sense for a change of scenery but imo no clear upgrade either way

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Talking about rental players on the FAN Pinder and Steinberg were “cheeky” when talking about Eberle. Mentioning that he lives here and could be a good fit. Seemed like they talked differently about him than others. Probably because he lives in Calgary.

Probably me over reading this since I want/hope the Flames are able to swap Frolik for Eberle.


They also think that the Flames would have interest in bringing Ferland back.

Strongly disagree! In a 7 game series I would take Frolik every time! Playoffs is not about having a skilled floater waiting for breakaway passes. Playoffs requires winning games in the trenches.

See Eberle's last 2 playoff series if you need details...

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Strongly disagree! In a 7 game series I would take Frolik every time! Playoffs is not about having a skilled floater waiting for breakaway passes. Playoffs requires winning games in the trenches.

See Eberle's last 2 playoff series if you need details...

Too small of a sample size imo. Eberle has one of the most insane clutch performances at the WJHC. The last 2 series Frolik played in was just as bad as Eberle.

At the end of the day Frolik lost his spot in the top 6 and PK so he is a $4.3M fringe forward on this team who does not seem to fit in with the coach. His contract is a problem and I am not as convinced as others that a team is going to jump at taking his cap hit next summer without sending money the other way. Eberle being an expiring contract would help clear that $4.3M off the books this summer.

There seems to be a myth that Frolik will be a beast in the playoffs because he had a solid run 6 years ago. I don’t care if we move him for another player that is not Eberle but I want him gone before the deadline. He is pouting about ice time and brings little to the team these days. The reason I zeroed in on Eberle is for several reasons.

1. Underperforming on his team that also has a new coach
2. Trotz seems like the type of coach where Frolik could thrive
3. Frees up the cap space this summer for Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich
4. Adds a needed offensive right shot to our abysmal 2nd unit PP
5. The Salt in the wounds for Oiler fans as they continue to watch their team toil in mediocrity while we bring in one of their former core pieces for what could be a lengthy run.
6. Eberle is a Calgary resident and coming home could rejuvenate him. His offensive ceiling is significantly higher than Frolik.


Again the main point is getting that contract off the books for a player the coach has little use for, and improving our 2nd PP as this move would get Ryan off that unit altogether.

[Gaskal]

Can we trade for Talbot and Eberle please.

Imagine if they got a shutout and a hat trick in their first games as a Flame. Nightmare season for the Oilers gets worse just as they ask themselves how it could possibly get worse.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is Talbot way better? Career backup that put up good numbers behind a solid NYR defense and one solid year as a starter the rest fairly mediocre. I would say there is just as good of a shot that Smith finds his game playing for Hitch than Talbot would here.

Trade makes sense for a change of scenery but imo no clear upgrade either way

Than Smith? Yup. All day (and I'm not a Smith hater). Talbot hasn't been great but Smith's soft goals are killers.

Besides, a career backup who can put up good numbers behind a solid defence is just fine for Calgary. Plus I think Talbot can play at league average starting goaltending quality at least behind Calgary as well. Talbot was also heavily overplayed last year and it's continued to affect him. This would change with Rittich taking well over half the starts.

[Ozy_Flame]

Talbot is also playing like crap in a contract year. If we could guarantee he stays beyond this season as a backup to Rittich (or a 1B if necessary) I think that would be a great pickup. Even for Talbot, he's as close to a Stanley Cup-contending team as he'll ever be coming to Calgary.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Talbot is also playing like crap in a contract year. If we could guarantee he stays beyond this season as a backup to Rittich (or a 1B if necessary) I think that would be a great pickup. Even for Talbot, he's as close to a Stanley Cup-contending team as he'll ever be coming to Calgary.

I assume you mean going forward, since he was a backup in NYR when they went to the finals.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I assume you mean going forward, since he was a backup in NYR when they went to the finals.

Yes, thank you for clarifying.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Too small of a sample size imo. Eberle has one of the most insane clutch performances at the WJHC. The last 2 series Frolik played in was just as bad as Eberle.

At the end of the day Frolik lost his spot in the top 6 and PK so he is a $4.3M fringe forward on this team who does not seem to fit in with the coach. His contract is a problem and I am not as convinced as others that a team is going to jump at taking his cap hit next summer without sending money the other way. Eberle being an expiring contract would help clear that $4.3M off the books this summer.

There seems to be a myth that Frolik will be a beast in the playoffs because he had a solid run 6 years ago. I don’t care if we move him for another player that is not Eberle but I want him gone before the deadline. He is pouting about ice time and brings little to the team these days. The reason I zeroed in on Eberle is for several reasons.

1. Underperforming on his team that also has a new coach
2. Trotz seems like the type of coach where Frolik could thrive
3. Frees up the cap space this summer for Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich
4. Adds a needed offensive right shot to our abysmal 2nd unit PP
5. The Salt in the wounds for Oiler fans as they continue to watch their team toil in mediocrity while we bring in one of their former core pieces for what could be a lengthy run.
6. Eberle is a Calgary resident and coming home could rejuvenate him. His offensive ceiling is significantly higher than Frolik.


Again the main point is getting that contract off the books for a player the coach has little use for, and improving our 2nd PP as this move would get Ryan off that unit altogether.

Not opposed to trading for Eberle, just would depend on what else is in that deal besides Frolik. I think it is a hard deal to pull off without paying over the odds.

While the Flames would be buying low on Eberle in a down year, he has goalscoring pedigree, and if he gets shopped, there will be interest. The Islanders can likely move him without taking on as much salary, if that is a concern.

There is also the matter of the cap for the Flames, where Eberle makes 1.3M more than Frolik. While the Islanders have the cap space to retain salary, where is the incentive for them to do so?

If the cap bearing pieces were, for example, Eberle (6) for Frolik (4.3) & Czarnik (1.25), then the flames call up Quine (0.7) as a cheap option, that's a cap change of +1.15M, wiping out all space. This moves Stone to LTIR immediately to be cap compliant and in being capped out, any Tkachuk bonuses will roll to next year. So the savings from Frolik (which could be found by trading in offseason) are eaten into already

So if there was a deal out there, it would be Eberle with salary retained, and even if his stock is lower this year, Frolik's stock has also been screwed by the agent drama.

So while I feel Eberle would be an upgrade, he may not be enough for the cap issues or the extra asset loss, which I expect to be high (if salary retained, good prospect or 1/2 round pick). The deadline is always a tough time to shop.

Frolik is easily tradeable in offseason for a draft pick, as he can help a team and is not a negative asset. I am down on him in this trade though as I am trying to position myself as the Islanders: he is at best a lateral move for them (stability vs scoring upside, save money, cost certainty next year) so why do it unless you can get something worthwhile?

[GioforPM]

I'm just not sold on Eberle as a good team player who fits in on this team. Plus I hate going for rentals.