Calgarypuck seems to have a large number of the conspiracy theorists who believe that the NHL is out to get them and every time a stick touches Gaudreau there is an outcry. It is the exact same thing that happens up in Edmonton.
Odd that this post comes from a fan of the team that defined diving and cheap shots for many years, all the while with a fan base that denied it and blamed the NHL for being against the Canucks!
On thread, the kings knew that they had the game won from the lack of pushback at all from the oilers last night. Watching the highlights and seeing just how poorly the Oilers played was, well, awesome! E=ng.
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On thread, the kings knew that they had the game won from the lack of pushback at all from the oilers last night. Watching the highlights and seeing just how poorly the Oilers played was, well, awesome! E=ng.
The Oilers made the Kings look amazing. Petrovic in particular was terrible.
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It is really remarkable how the Reinhart trade has crippled the Oilers. A terrible trade made worse by the 'what if' had they kept it with Barzal/Chabot/Connor, losing him for nothing (though that's all he was worth). It took away a golden asset and threw it away, and they've been trying to make up for it since.
I was trying to see how much was OBC in pushing for Reinhart, or seeing if any of the scouts were still around, and this videopopped up, which I think is pretty funny considering the closing in it, and then watched his most recent video which was just ripping into all the moves Chiapet has made.
It's a deal they've been trying to make up for since it was made. I suppose the only thing that makes the trade funnier is that if they hadn't made it, they would have taken Svechnikov or Eriksson-Ek so they still wouldn't be any better.
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Maybe im not understanding the significance of the Griffin Reinhart Trade, but didnt all the teams with a higher 1st round pick pass on Barzal? Even if the Oilers picked Barzal, he wouldve floundered in the Oilers system anyways like poolparty. So they've lost a 1st rounder, not a big deal. So do other GMs when they try to push for the cup on trade deadline day
If anything, the Hall for Larsson deal was more crippling. They had a superstar in Hall but they traded him 1 for 1 for a 2nd pairing guy. Imagine telling Oiler fans 7 years ago their 1st overall would end up with a guy like Larsson
Maybe im not understanding the significance of the Griffin Reinhart Trade, but didnt all the teams with a higher 1st round pick pass on Barzal? Even if the Oilers picked Barzal, he wouldve floundered in the Oilers system anyways like poolparty. So they've lost a 1st rounder, not a big deal. So do other GMs when they try to push for the cup on trade deadline day
If anything, the Hall for Larsson deal was more crippling. They had a superstar in Hall but they traded him 1 for 1 for a 2nd pairing guy. Imagine telling Oiler fans 7 years ago their 1st overall would end up with a guy like Larsson
I think it is just the caliber of players that were there for the Oilers at 16. Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Boeser, Konecny all would be top line wingers or top PP Dman with that pick. The 2nd they traded could have been Aho, Carlo, or Andersson who would all be helping that team right now. They moved those assets for a pure bust. At least Larsson is playing in their top 4.
There is definitely a good chance the Oilers screw those picks up but considering the players available their franchise could have been set for a decade with McDavid, Chabot, Aho
So let's step back and not let Chiarelli make any trades. Let's just say: Pete, all we want from you as GM is to not screw anything up. Where would they be?
Assuming they don't trade for Reinhart and they take Barzal, the Oilers top 6 forwards right now could be:
RNH - McDavid - Draisaitl
Hall - Barzal - Eberle
If they draft Connor, it's:
RNH - McDavid - Connor
Hall - Draisaitl - Eberle
Either way, it's as good of a top 6 as any in the league. All they had to do was nothing.
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So let's step back and not let Chiarelli make any trades. Let's just say: Pete, all we want from you as GM is to not screw anything up. Where would they be?
Assuming they don't trade for Reinhart and they take Barzal, the Oilers top 6 forwards right now could be:
RNH - McDavid - Draisaitl
Hall - Barzal - Eberle
If they draft Connor, it's:
RNH - McDavid - Connor
Hall - Draisaitl - Eberle
Either way, it's as good of a top 6 as any in the league. All they had to do was nothing.
and there defense still couldnt be any worse than it is now. no good
The Oilers didn’t give up a 1st for a chance at the Cup, they effectively just gave it away. Give them an actual Top 4 d-man and they probably don’t need to make the Hall trade the way they did. Or at the very least if they do, their defense actually looks respectable. Yeah other teams passed on them too and that doesn’t look good on Boston or Dallas or Florida but this isn’t a F/B/D=NG thread.
Take Hanifin and Lindholm off the Flames. Sure bring back Ferland, but don’t bring back Hamilton because instead of getting him we got Reinhart. Are the Flames 1st in the division? Does the future look rosy? Or are there two massive holes on the team that need to be filled both now and going forward? That’s what that trade did to the Oilers.
Hell even just take Hamonic off the team (since it was basically the same trade with the same team just for an actual NHL defenseman). There’s still a hole the team needs to spend more assets trying to fill. Sure all trades can have this effect, but when you’re trying to build something rather than trying to add to it, the effects are much more significant. The Oilers were still a rebuilding team that gave up solid assets for nothing. Didn’t even get a chance to downgrade Reinhart. Didn’t get a player to try and make a push in the playoffs.
The Penguins eventually traded Perron for Hagelin who would win two cups with them, and then traded Hagelin for Pearson who’s 5 goals with the Penguins would be tied for 5th on the Oilers. So they’ve still gotten some salvageable mileage out of the trade even if it was their pick that was eventually used for Barzal. Do you think the Penguins care about giving up a 1st with the last 5 years they’ve had? Such is the difference between contenders looking to add for a push and a steaming pile of garbage.
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The second rounder they also gave up turned out to be a decent player. Essentially that and the Eberle trade gave the NYI a whole line.
Beauviler or whatever his name is was taken in the first round. The islanders traded up with the 33rd pick to take him so technically he was not taken with the pick in the Reinhart trade but that pick was used in the deal to move up and grab hin
Maybe im not understanding the significance of the Griffin Reinhart Trade, but didnt all the teams with a higher 1st round pick pass on Barzal? Even if the Oilers picked Barzal, he wouldve floundered in the Oilers system anyways like poolparty. So they've lost a 1st rounder, not a big deal. So do other GMs when they try to push for the cup on trade deadline day
If anything, the Hall for Larsson deal was more crippling. They had a superstar in Hall but they traded him 1 for 1 for a 2nd pairing guy. Imagine telling Oiler fans 7 years ago their 1st overall would end up with a guy like Larsson
They ruined Hall to the point that he couldn't be a leader for the oilers. He was asked to buy in and drink their koolaid. So was everyone else in that supporting cast. Too many guys given paychecks and allowed to run and rule the asylum No support, direction given. So when McDavid came a long they simply anointed McDavid turned their backs on Hall and tried to get the supporting cast to buy in and follow McDavid.
They knew they had to appease McDavid and get him to buy in so they give him a big paycheck. They make him the undisputed leader without having to earning it. No wonder the team is disconnected and disoriented. They trade for Brandon Manning, the one player he probably doesn't get a long with. You can tell by the poor effort in LA and low shots on goal that the "supporting cast in place" doesn't follow McDavid, or the coach.
Guys like Gio, had to earn it, guys will look up to him and that' brings a team together.
The oilers need an overhaul; A core piece for 2 young guys with potential to strengthen the lineup is about the only way they can go.
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Hall wanted a trade and Oilers, under a frustrated MacLellan would’ve made more trades to get rid of the toxicity that the organization had dipped all these once talented players in. There was a couple epic MacLellan meltdowns the first quarter of his first season when he realized the same thing Hitchcock talked about last night, where he had guys who were so mentally fragile they were useless hockey players and may as well move them.
No way Barazal or whoever would’ve turned out the way they have. Hall,would not have been a Hart winner if he stayed in Edmonton.
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Mact shows up on the ron Maclean panel pre-game. 'I didn't watch the game last night, but apparently it was bad'. Haha wtf is your actual job? Future gm for sure lol
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So let's step back and not let Chiarelli make any trades. Let's just say: Pete, all we want from you as GM is to not screw anything up. Where would they be?
Assuming they don't trade for Reinhart and they take Barzal, the Oilers top 6 forwards right now could be:
RNH - McDavid - Draisaitl
Hall - Barzal - Eberle
If they draft Connor, it's:
RNH - McDavid - Connor
Hall - Draisaitl - Eberle
Either way, it's as good of a top 6 as any in the league. All they had to do was nothing.
The problem with the Hall and Eberle (and even Yakupov) trades is they were already ruined and were never going to contribute in Edmonton. It took being kicked out for Hall to straighten himself out, and so far he only has one spectacular season in NJ. The Larsson trade could have been better but they needed help on defense badly.
The thing with the Reinhart trade it's was *entirely* self inflicted. Then there Lucic signing and then Draisaitl overpayment and they were between a rock and a hard place. And it looks*fantastic* on them.
Well, not if you give Draisaitl a blank cheque it doesn't. A GM who wouldn't have made all those stupid trades, probably wouldn't have offered that stupid contract either.
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It is really remarkable how the Reinhart trade has crippled the Oilers. A terrible trade made worse by the 'what if' had they kept it with Barzal/Chabot/Connor, losing him for nothing (though that's all he was worth). It took away a golden asset and threw it away, and they've been trying to make up for it since.
I was trying to see how much was OBC in pushing for Reinhart, or seeing if any of the scouts were still around, and this videopopped up, which I think is pretty funny considering the closing in it, and then watched his most recent video which was just ripping into all the moves Chiapet has made.
It's a deal they've been trying to make up for since it was made. I suppose the only thing that makes the trade funnier is that if they hadn't made it, they would have taken Svechnikov or Eriksson-Ek so they still wouldn't be any better.
That really didn’t age well. It’s sounds like a guy who changed his instictive response to an answer on a multiple choice question.
Don’t do that.
Why he would have faith in a scouting director hired after the Oiler’s exhaustive and thorough search of the confines of Rexall Place for new insight is beyond me.
