2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Heavy Jack]

I tend to agree, was just having fun riffing off of the Caged Great proposal and in truth I think the eggs Smith has been laying have spoken to the fact that a search to shore up goaltending might be a prudent endeavour we have to consider as the season stretches on. I think a lot of that will depend on how Rittich continues to handle a starters workload and whether or not Treliving feels this years team and season is one to swing for the fences on.

[Roof-Daddy]

The only way I'd be ok to deal our 1st for a guy like Howard would be if it was conditional.

Flames would have to make the final four and Howard would have to have at least half the playoff wins to get there.

Imagine dealing the 1st for Howard and all he does is play 15 games the rest of the way and no playoff games.

[Heavy Jack]

Very great points, kinda like the conditions Dallas made for Russell

[Caged Great]

All 3 of the guys are UFA, and Nyquist is the only guy I would see coming back (maybe Howard on a 1 year deal)

The way I look at it, the 1st is for Nyquist, Stone + Eat Bread is for Kronwall and Smith + Gillies plus the conditional pick is for Howard.

[Flash Walken]

There isn't much I like about Detroit as a trade partner unless the cost for kronwall and/or Howard comes down.

Kronwall for a 3rd is a deal I would be interested in, otherwise I might look to pay a higher price for a different/better player elsewhere. Similarly, a 1st for Howard is nuts. First round picks for for guys like McDonough at the deadline, not the Jimmy Howard's of the world.

No piddly trades. 3rd and a 5th for stone is the kind of weak trade the flames should be avoiding. Spend big for good players or shop smart for bottom of the roster improvements.

Some reliable, low tier scoring help in the bottom 6 would go a long way.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Outside of Nyquist there's not much coming back, and even he's questionable.

You still gotta outbid other teams.
And I maintain it's a lotta nothing. Not the right type of assets for a team re-building.
No team is going to just do the Flames a favor

[memphusk]

Spezza might be a good fit. Flip through him and backlund on the 2nd and third lines.

[1qqaaz]

Paying a 1st for Howard would be insane. I'm not not a fan of replacing the 3rd oldest goalie in the NHL with the 5th oldest goalie in the NHL.

If they Flames trade their 1st (which they shouldn't), it should be for someone who is young, has solid numbers, and has a reasonable track record.
Jones, Anderssen, Varlamov, Talbot and Raanta all went for 1st's or something around that. That's what you should be getting in return.

Lehner is the most notable option is who is both young and has decent numbers. They could have signed him for free as a UFA this summer, but I would still be in favor of acquiring him. I don't see why the Islanders would trade him right now.

Other than that, just go for a cheap yet effective backup like McElhinney. There are plenty of options like him.

[browna]

Don’t see Detroit making many bold moves until the offseason. Yzerman will be doing that the day after Tampa gets eliminated.

Any goalie the Flames bring in can’t be a maybe, it has to be a sure thing. To displace or replace Smith and the general unhappiness that may cause in the room, has to be worth the acquisition. And McBackup get tires pumped because he gets his name repeated a lot simply as in Toronto.

[goflamesgo18]

Trade deadline proposal;

To PHI;
2nd in 2020
Phillips
Ruzicka

To CGY;
Simmonds

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Trade deadline proposal;

To PHI;
2nd in 2020
Phillips
Ruzicka

To CGY;
Simmonds

It would be cool if that worked...unfortunately I think a team like the Leafs, Vegas, Colorado, Buffalo, Pittsburgh or Columbus who also want grit and scoring will largely outbid this. I think Simmonds will cost a first or a 20-30 drafted prospect.

I think the Flames' biggest trade chip may be Czarnic if one of the 20 teams that chased him in the summer still loves the player and thinks he is under utilized. Detroit may be a fit there with the fast game and lack of offensive talent depth they are currently playing with.

[Heavy Jack]

Big no to trading Phillips!

[sureLoss]

FWIW

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scouts in Philly for Flames-Flyers today - Capitals, Islanders, Bruins, Oilers, Predators, Devils, Blackhawks, Golden Knights, Red Wings

[Mr.Coffee]

I really don't want the Flames to be trading picks. They should instead be moving some of their prospects that they don't believe will turn out. Or a solid player like Bennett / Frolik that don't appear to be too happy right now. Helps the locker room too and you can get more good prospects at the draft.

At some point we have to re-stock the cupboards through the draft.

[Toonage]

All those scouts at today's game. Its like thinking everyone is looking at you, when really they're looking at the person right behind you.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I really don't want the Flames to be trading picks. They should instead be moving some of their prospects that they don't believe will turn out. Or a solid player like Bennett / Frolik that don't appear to be too happy right now. Helps the locker room too and you can get more good prospects at the draft.

At some point we have to re-stock the cupboards through the draft.

Trading bennett will help the locker room? Id bet that Bennett is a very important part of that locker room.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Trade deadline proposal;

To PHI;
2nd in 2020
Phillips
Ruzicka

To CGY;
Simmonds

Getting Simmons will cost some of your best trading chips, starting with your 1st round pick.

That package could be easily beaten by lots of teams with their eyes closed.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Trading bennett will help the locker room? Id bet that Bennett is a very important part of that locker room.

Agreed.

Bennett is going no where, he’s an important part of the team, on the ice and in the locker room.

If Bennett was a 5th round pick, everyone would be in love with his game.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I really don't want the Flames to be trading picks. They should instead be moving some of their prospects that they don't believe will turn out. Or a solid player like Bennett / Frolik that don't appear to be too happy right now. Helps the locker room too and you can get more good prospects at the draft.



At some point we have to re-stock the cupboards through the draft.

Teams in win-now mode don’t trade current assets for draft picks unless it’s cap related, and then only reluctantly.


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[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Teams in win-now mode don’t trade current assets for draft picks unless it’s cap related, and then only reluctantly.


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I guess I am just challenging the theory that you have to "bulk up" with a lot of deadline deals. Hear me out, and let's look at Vegas.

At the expansion draft, they made a pile of trades to load up on prospects and picks and then subsequently went to the Stanley Cup final. At the deadline, they traded for Tatar, who was a health scratch and completely useless during that run. However at the expansion draft, by making the moves they did, they gave themselves a long-term future with solid prospects in guys like Glass and Suzuki. They did really well to position themselves long-term.

How many deadline deal players are actually consequential in deep playoff runs? I am honestly asking, because I doubt a lot of guys that come in are bonafide star power that put a team over the edge.

Now, could Calgary use a goalie? Yes, absolutely- but not at any cost. I also like deadline deals that are more geared towards depth, but that don't cost a lot. I value prospects and picks in today's NHL more than 3rd line grinders that every team has more than they know what to do with. A guy like Frolik, they're actually more like a dime a dozen and- here's the key- you know what they are. Keeping Frolik isn't the worst idea, but if he's a locker room problem then you move him. If you move him, get a goalie and make sure the deal's cheap. But don't move prospects or picks for that.

Look at Tampa Bay. They have had a very rich cupboard of prospects and picks over the years. Does it not seem like they seemingly constantly have a stream of AHL guys that could plug in and be ready? I know last year wasn't great, but over the last several years Tampa actually has been a fairly good organization over the long-term. Were you like me when you eventually saw a guy never talked about in Gourde and realized he'd scored a billion goals already? What?! And Calgary actually has that opportunity to be that now, because of what was done in the past by previous GM's in building up prospect depth. Treliving has come in and kind of wrecked the model though... Calgary needs to adjust back to that model because the last couple years they already have used that value / capital to build up its current team in trades like the Hamonic or Smith deals.

You know how we got Hanifin and Lindholm? Because we had Fox. We had Fox because we had picks. If we don't have picks or prospects because we trade them for bad deadline deals, we don't get Hanifin or Lindholm or a player that develops into a solid NHLer. Picks and prospects are the currency in today's NHL and we actually don't have that much anymore because we've spent it. We need to tread very carefully here.

Today's NHL is about youth, and quickly emerging prospects. That's how you succeed. And the reason for that is precisely the salary cap. Entry level deals are cheap. Thus the strategy to win has had to be to have lots of youth and prospects to support your expensive stars that eat all your cap room. If you have no picks or prospects to have that support, you can never keep that pipeline full. You trade picks and prospects for deadline guys that walk on July 1?

Deadline deals, like July 1st, are where GM's can make huge mistakes- overpaying for players that jump ship July 1 because they found some other idiot GM to overpay them.