But I can't figure out what he's doing this year. Hockeydb and Elite Prospects both show him as being part of Omsk in the KHL but with no stat line. Is he injured?
Parsons needs to bake in the minors. As Jiri said, you can't bring him up until he's shown some consistency in the minors. That is the one thing working in Gillies favor, he's shown growth and consistency in the minors. I think this year is a bad one to be judging anyone on, as the minor league affiliate has been a bit of a train wreck. Not much talent down there, especially on the blueline. Has to be tough for a goaltender with so little help.
But I can't figure out what he's doing this year. Hockeydb and Elite Prospects both show him as being part of Omsk in the KHL but with no stat line. Is he injured?
He isn't even considering the equipment changes, but that does make me wonder.
Of all G's in the NHL to play at least 20 games this season (32 of them) only 21 can offer up a save% of .910 or better and only 20 have a 2.80 or better GAA.
Last season there were 35 guys at .910 or better and 32 at 2.80 or better.
Something is amiss among that position league wide this year...and i dont believe its only a coincidence that equipment changes happened over the summer.
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You can't try him now. He isn't ready. He hasn't even put together a consistent enough string of games at lower levels.
Yeah, I don't mean trying him now. But I wonder if Gillies and Parsons are more the cause for pause than hoping Smith returns.
Gillies obviously not, else we'd have seen him at some point in the B2B. But with Parsons could they looking for him to put together some kind of string of good games to earn a call-up
More a 'what could be holding Tre back'? Than 'is Parsons ready for the NHL'?
He isn't even considering the equipment changes, but that does make me wonder.
Of all G's in the NHL to play at least 20 games this season (32 of them) only 21 can offer up a save% of .910 or better and only 20 have a 2.80 or better GAA.
Last season there were 35 guys at .910 or better and 32 at 2.80 or better.
Something is amiss among that position league wide this year...and i dont believe its only a coincidence that equipment changes happened over the summer.
Elliott Friedman pretty much confirmed this recently. As a whole, the league SV% is down about 6 points. IIRC it will be the lowest it has been in a looong time (I think the 90s). He likened it to the NFL when rules and tweaks are being made for it to play defense as the league is championing offense.
Yeah, I don't mean trying him now. But I wonder if Gillies and Parsons are more the cause for pause than hoping Smith returns.
Gillies obviously not, else we'd have seen him at some point in the B2B. But with Parsons could they looking for him to put together some kind of string of good games to earn a call-up
More a 'what could be holding Tre back'? Than 'is Parsons ready for the NHL'?
I don't see it that way. I suspect what is holding Tre back is finding a fit where he feels it is actually an upgrade.
There's nothing Parsons has done this year that should factor into any short-term decisions with the goaltending spot.
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If Craig Anderson didn't have one more season on his contract, I'd say send Smith and a 2nd to the Sens for him. He was solid before the injury, and would at least provide a reliable 1B, who could get hot and go on a run.
That one more year at $4.75 is a killer for a 37 year-old though...
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I don't see it that way. I suspect what is holding Tre back is finding a fit where he feels it is actually an upgrade.
There's nothing Parsons has done this year that should factor into any short-term decisions with the goaltending spot.
I very much agree, and hope that is the case. The real-estate I thought Parsons would hold at this point I thought would be small if anything. He hasn't done anything this year, but I more wonder if they're waiting to see what he will be doing this year as he's just getting started.
I would hope that Tre was looking for a fit from very early on in the season though. At this point, he should have a very good idea on an upgrade and what it'll take to make it work - especially considering how busy we know he is. I hope it's just a matter of making the decision, as I doubt there's 30 teams out there with a death-grip on a backup.
I still don't think they would do it though unless the Flames wanted to badly overpay where you have to consider it. Chiarelli already has a ton of hate from Oiler fans. If he were to trade Talbot to the Flames for not much and things work out and the Flames go deep it would make it even worse for him.
IKR! And the Chiafreud would be glorious.
Probably just wishful thinking on my end.
I do think Cam Talbot is much better than he is looking this season in Edmonton.
$850k cap hit on the last year of his contract, good stats (2.22 GAA 0.924 SV%), he was a waiver pickup for Carolina, and surely isn't a long term option for them.
The acquisition cost should be low.
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If Craig Anderson didn't have one more season on his contract, I'd say send Smith and a 2nd to the Sens for him. He was solid before the injury, and would at least provide a reliable 1B, who could get hot and go on a run.
That one more year at $4.75 is a killer for a 37 year-old though...
You could probably get him straight across right now for the Salary dump. Don’t think you want to do that though.
$850k cap hit on the last year of his contract, good stats (2.22 GAA 0.924 SV%), he was a waiver pickup for Carolina, and surely isn't a long term option for them.
The acquisition cost should be low.
100% agreed. I also think it'd be hilarious if McElhinney was the Flames' saviour all along.
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Also... I wonder if Tyler Parsons occupies any real-estate in Tre's mind at this point
We've seen the potential he has, and I'll bet most of us feel the rough ECHL and AHL stats are more indicative of rough start than signs of his potential - but he's really just getting this year's season started with his return from injury.
2-0 since coming back (but then pulled Dec 31st after giving up 6...)
Dec 22 W 5-1: 0.969 (31SV on 32SH)
Dec 29 W 3-2: 0.951 (39SV on 41SH)
Dec 31 L 6-5: 0.806 (25V on 31SH) (Pulled for Gillies)
A little awkward...
I don't know where I'd stand on it... but does Parsons and Gillies factor into these decisions at this point? And if so... in what way?
One would hope that he isn't burning time on the bench, and he hasn't done much recently to instill confidence as a NHL 1B... but are the guys that drafted him high enough on him that they just need to see him turning the corner in the AHL to know it's worth a shot here?
Logged to propose exactly this.
Not like the realistic goalie options out there.
Of those mentioned, I like Lehner (but Islanders in the mix so doubt they would deal him) - I was hoping we'd sign him in the offseason, but reflecting it might have interfered with the emergence of Big Save Dave...
Bobrovsky would be the dream scenario but that cost would be way too high (OP stated he hasn't showed his Vezina quality play this year; however, he has been really good for the majority of his last 8 GP).
Back to Parsons, yes, he certainly could use more seasoning, more time to show consistency, but it's still the AHL level and AHL success does not guarantee NHL success. Goalies are so enigmatic. Perhaps, just perhaps, playing behind such a talented NHL squad as the Flames have, he might just show he belongs now, and could actually improve his confidence, development. It could be a shortterm experiment now and see exactly where ya stand come trade deadline...
The safest route would be to give Parsons more seasoning, but it could prevent Tre from having to give up assets to attain a goalie that has a high chance of failure...Maybe now is not the time to play it safe with Parsons...
But that's just me, and I admittedly find goalies the most difficult to gauge, at the prospect or pro level...
I understand what you are saying and you may be right
Dont use his numbers in the A to determine that however. That defense in Stockton is abysmal as the 3 best players they should have down there are on the Flames blueline, so those G's are likely facing a big number of grade a chances.
Look at Schneiders numbers as an example...way better in the AHL than they are in the ECHL.
Speaking of which, maybe he can be a guy that comes out of no where and figures it out.
How can you ignore his AHL stats? I could buy your argument if he was anywhere near average or even slighly below average, but he's literally the worst or 2nd worst goalie in the entire league.
You just need a guy who can play the odd game for Rittich at this point. Maybe you convince Smith to go down to the minors to find his game (although I doubt he'd go for it). Trade next to nothing for some guy who can sit on the bench and play back to backs and hope Smith figures its out in Stockton. I'd just go get a Scott Wedgewood or some other goalie who's played reasonable in the AHL and be done with it.
If Rittich is down long term, then you worry about trade something of value for a guy who can play as a #1.
100% agreed. I also think it'd be hilarious if McElhinney was the Flames' saviour all along.
Problem is that Mcelhinney has to get reoffered to teams who put an offer in on him (when Carolina claimed him) in order to be traded, and then if he clears that then he can be dealt. Not nearly as easy as acquiring him i don't think
Wait until closer to the deadline and make an offer to Arizona for Kuemper (.909 SV%), who has one more year left at $3.75 mil. Hill is looking like a strong candidate to back up Raanta once Raanta comes back next season. Hill and Pickard can platoon while the Coyotes play out the string and tank for a high lottery pick.
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