UPD: Kevin Kurz: Bennett won't receive any supplemental discipline for hit on Simek

[flamesfever]

I think the league made the right call. Had Bennett been disciplined, I think the fine line between the puck leaving the player, and the hit, may have opened up a can of worms regarding the timeing of hits in general.

In spite of all the commotion that went on, however before the hit, the reaction from Joe Thornton suggests Bennett went too far. I think their coach called it "predatory", and in a way I can't disagree. I don't think the player, he hit, had anything to do with all the fights going on.

I think there has to be some level of respect between teams. If not, I think the risk of serious injury gets too high. I worry about Gaudreau. If someone ever purposely injures him, we will rue the day that we allowed the level of respect to sink too low.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I think the league made the right call. Had Bennett been disciplined, I think the fine line between the puck leaving the player, and the hit, may have opened up a can of worms regarding the timeing of hits in general.

In spite of all the commotion that went on, however before the hit, the reaction from Joe Thornton suggests Bennett went too far. I think their coach called it "predatory", and in a way I can't disagree. I don't think the player, he hit, had anything to do with all the fights going on.

I think there has to be some level of respect between teams. If not, I think the risk of serious injury gets too high. I worry about Gaudreau. If someone ever purposely injures him, we will rue the day that we allowed the level of respect to sink too low.

^ Um, people are trying to injure Gaudreau all the time.

Mainly with slashes because he is too hard to hit. Because he keeps his head up.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ Um, people are trying to injure Gaudreau all the time.

Mainly with slashes because he is too hard to hit. Because he keeps his head up.

This 1000 times

[shogged]

bennett is a beauty

[Gundo]

Good to hear.

The way I look at it Chucks is turning into the player I thought Bennett would be and Bennett is the player I kind of expected Chucky to be.

[HUSKER4FLAMES]

Great Hit. I don't care about the time in the game of the hit. So up by three three minutes to go if they give Bennett a five and game sharks would have tried to score all three to come back. If flames were on a penalty kill should Jankowski not try to score a goal since they are still up by three. Time of game is more reason for the guys to keep their heads up. Chippy game, score pretty much decided be smart out there. Both teams. I thought it was a great game.

[direwolf]

The League made the right decision on this one. Glad to hear it.

[FlamesAddiction]

If anything, Dan O'Halloran should be suspended for being so blatantly biased against the Flames. It's one thing to miss calls or just be terrible at your job, but last night was disgusting. Maybe still residual Wideman effect or something.

I hope the league cuts him from the playoffs.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If anything, Dan O'Halloran should be suspended for being so blatantly biased against the Flames. It's one thing to miss calls or just be terrible at your job, but last night was disgusting. Maybe still residual Wideman effect or something.

I hope the league cuts him from the playoffs.

I agree. It's up to the referee to guage the degree of roughness and nip it in the bud, if things start getting our of control.

I recall Burke saying that Calgary is not built to take on a super rough team. If anything, the referee should have been much tougher on the Sharks.

[1Nite]

Almost surprised that, they got this right and didn't do some dumb response to appease a California team.

[Major Major]

I'm not saying that this is the case with O'Halloran... I have no idea what was going through his head. But if refs are repetitively making egregious errors that effect the outcome of a game, they should be publicly fired like the NFL.

There is way too much job security and it has given them the ability to guide their own agendas as to how to officiate the game. Either you do what is in the rule book, or you're gone.

[Calgary4LIfe]

That's what I expected (though with the DOPS, you never know!). Hit was milliseconds late at worst. Stajan got rocked a bunch of times while not keeping his head up, and I argue that a couple of those were even later hits.



As for it being 'predatory', of course it was. In my opinion, every big hit is predatory. You don't need to throw a massive hit to separate a player from the puck (especially when the player no longer has said puck). That's just the nature of the game - it is a tough, physical game that every so often has a huge hit within the confines of the rules. That's why players sometimes have to fight after a big hit, even if it is clean. The NHL wants more of these hits to happen. Direct head shots? That's what they are most concerned about stamping out.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by New Era

I agree. Dell should have been assessed a penalty and likely supplemental discipline. The fact that this was missed by four zebras was frustrating and greatly increased the tension between the two teams.



That is why the NHL has instituted specific rules for things that happen late in the game, which the Flames have been fined and a player suspended for already this season. I'm kind of embarrassed for you for not knowing these types of rules are in place and the officials have the latitude to enforce. Hence Bennett getting a match penalty for his actions.




Don't disagree. The Sharks got off lightly for much of the third, and that was why I made comment the referees lost control of the game. The Sharks should have been in the box much more than they were, and the referees allowed the frustration on both sides to boil over. Piss poor officiating.


You're whining to the wrong guy. I'm very much a pro-hitting guy. I hate seeing suspensions for good clean hits during the play when the game is in question. There is a difference here.

I'm glad Bennett didn't suspended, but if Lucic unloads on a Flames player late in a blow out, I hope people maintain the same standard in judgment. This was a borderline hit at a time in the game when the outcome was clearly established and could very easily be construed as a cheap shot. If that was Kane blasting Andersson, the reaction here would be much much different and there would be a lot of people screaming for a lengthy suspension for a similar action.

Correction, Bennett didn’t get a match penalty, he got the usual 5 minute major for fighting. He check received no penalty.


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[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I'm not saying that this is the case with O'Halloran... I have no idea what was going through his head. But if refs are repetitively making egregious errors that effect the outcome of a game, they should be publicly fired like the NFL.

There is way too much job security and it has given them the ability to guide their own agendas as to how to officiate the game. Either you do what is in the rule book, or you're gone.

I believe that's forbidden by the officials' CBA. No matter how incompetent an official is, or how much he screws up, the only control the league has over him is not to give him any games in the playoffs.

Some other unions are known for the things they will do to protect an incompetent member from being sacked. But they could all take lessons from the NHL Officials Association.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correction, Bennett didn’t get a match penalty, he got the usual 5 minute major for fighting. He check received no penalty.

He has a match penalty on the score sheet: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020609.HTM

That's a joke though because there is nothing in that hit that goes anywhere close to being worthy of a match penalty.


Also, if you watch the replay, you can see the ref stick his hand up immediately after the hit, so Bennett was going to get something there regardless of the fight.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm not accusing the refs of anything bad but I'm just genuinely curious if they debrief after games? Does that happen?

How do they assess their own performances or determine who gets playoffs etc? Again not trying to suggest refs are bad (my dad reffed soccer for years so I was raised to always respect the referees).

[GGG]

The NBA does something really neat. For close games they publish an analysis of the last two minutes of officiating. Apparently this is done for parts of every game and given to the officiating teams for evaluation and improvement.

I think something along these lines for the NHL would go a long way with increasing transparency.

https://official.nba.com/2017-18-nba...inute-reports/

For as much as people complain about reffing they get a lot right, their mistakes are glaring though

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by getbak

He has a match penalty on the score sheet: http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreport...9/GS020609.HTM

That's a joke though because there is nothing in that hit that goes anywhere close to being worthy of a match penalty.


Also, if you watch the replay, you can see the ref stick his hand up immediately after the hit, so Bennett was going to get something there regardless of the fight.

The Sharks also got a 3 minute power play, as is expected when there's a major vs. minor inside the last five minutes of regulation.

The logical progression of the penalties is a fighting major and match penalty to Bennett, and an instigator, fighting major and game misconduct to Goodrow.

[browna]

Originally Posted by GGG

The NBA does something really neat. For close games they publish an analysis of the last two minutes of officiating. Apparently this is done for parts of every game and given to the officiating teams for evaluation and improvement.

I think something along these lines for the NHL would go a long way with increasing transparency.

https://official.nba.com/2017-18-nba...inute-reports/

For as much as people complain about reffing they get a lot right, their mistakes are glaring though

However they decide to spin it, but NBA did it simply in response to a ref getting caught betting on games he was officiating.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Correction, Bennett didn’t get a match penalty, he got the usual 5 minute major for fighting. He check received no penalty.


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Yes, he did. It's right in the game summary and box score. 19:37. Sam Bennett, match penalty.

https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/sjs-v...game_tab=stats