[News] Jan 3 UPD: Frolik's agent complains about his ice time

[getbak]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

Chia: Hey Tre my man, so I heard fro..
Tre: *hangs up*

There's no way any NHL GM is hanging up on Chia today.

[Roof-Daddy]

I don't see the Flames moving Frolik mid season unless:

A. He's asked for a trade
B. They need to clear cap space for a big name acquisition

Division leading teams don't deal away veteran depth mid season unless it's for the above reasons. Usually they are trying to acquire it for the stretch drive and playoffs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by browna

Won't the Flames want that same depth that he provides?

Frolik for a handful of magic beans in the second round is fine when you reference Glencross, because the Flames were clearly out of the playoffs and not a huge hope for the next season to make a run either when they traded him but the Flames window is in the next 3 or so years and extra NHL forwards and defenseman (and a goalie?) means the Flames will be buyers this trade deadline.

If you had to trade Frolik, you'd like to find a trading partner with a similar player who wants or is forcing a change of scenery.

Totally agreed. We are on the same page here.

He is exactly the kind of player teams love for playoff depth and I do not want to see him traded.

My post about being able to at least get a 2nd rounder was just in response to the opinion of some that Frolik has little value.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How do you explain a 2nd and 3rd for 9 goal Glencross? And then he’s out of the league the next year.

How do you explain almost getting a 1st rounder+ for a guy that a lot of fans wanted to dump (Russell)?

Frolik hasn’t really shown any signs of regressing IMO. He’s dropped down the lineup because our depth got better and the coach isn’t married to playing him on the same line all year. He struggled a bit last year after his injury but that’s pretty common.

Stone is only a healthy scratch because we have some pretty awesome young defensemen. It’s not because Stone sucks or is a fringe NHLer, he isn’t. He’s a solid dman.

Hey I get why fans are down on these guys. Usually players who are healthy scratches with medium sized contracts aren’t worth much. However the exception is healthy scratched players on very deep teams who would actually be much higher in the lineup on a lot of other teams in the league.

Frolik and Stone are still good players and their contracts are not absurd. They have value. Just like a declining Glencross and Hudler did. Just like fan whipping boy Russell did. Wanna go look up what Russell haters thought his trade value was before we dealt him? Of course Stone haters don’t think he has value. But GMs love physical depth defensemen a lot more than some fans.

Glencross and Russell are not comparable to Frolik and Stone and their current situations.

[Flash Walken]

I think jiri has it.

The best deal for the flames is to a team he may not want to go to (Edmonton?).

He may not be getting into games in part because there has been a deal close several times.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Never good when a player might be unhappy but then again agents are all scum and can’t be trusted. I think that makes this one a wash for me.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by getbak

The Flames record this season with Frolik in the lineup: 12-9-1
The Flames record this season without Frolik in the lineup: 11-3-3


I'm sure if there was a trade market for him, Treliving was exploring it. This isn't going to help.

This pretty much says it all

Frolik isn't terrible, also not good enough to scoff at being scratched or ice time...I have my doubts an agent just says something like this without consulting the player

[calgarywinning]

Neal's agents accuse fans of poor production.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Glencross and Russell are not comparable to Frolik and Stone and their current situations.

Well neither are pure rentals because they aren’t UFA. But I’d say they are pretty comparable in terms of role. Russell was a 4-6 defenceman on most teams as is Stone. Both dmen had/have their haters on this board. Glencross was a 2nd/3rd line winger just like Frolik is.

The comparisons weren’t meant to be perfect ones. The comparisons were meant to be examples of Treliving getting solid value for declining players or players fans felt were overrated.

Frolik is only 30. Stone is only 28. Neither washed up. Your argument that they hold little to no value doesn’t add up based on NHL history.

[flamesfever]

I have always understood that Frolik's injury and his recovery were the reason his return to the lineup was delayed. I sure hope the op's announcement is just someone stirring up crap.

I would like to see the return of our former all important 3M line. I've always felt that the chemistry between Frolik and Backlund is very important to our team, both defensively and offensively. I think it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to replace that sort of thing.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Heck one need look no further than today’s trade. Brandon Manning making over 2 million and having another year on his deal was traded for a 3rd line winger. Stone is a far superior player and therefore must have positive value.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who says Frolik is the better player? pretty comparable

Frolik has been amazing? he was pretty terrible last season

I’m amazed that someone else thinks he’s amazing.

In over a calendar year I’ve noticed Frolik in like... 2 games? One being the game after he was healthy scratched and responded (vs. Boston at home in October this year- he was awesome) and then I’m just being generous and assuming he was good in some other game over the last year I don’t remember but possibly he wasn’t actually good.

Frolik- if you were playing well, people would talk about you. You’re invisible, and actually kinda bad. Like people bitch about Neal but you probably are worse. The reason you’re healthy scratched is because your floating around doing F all- and Peters wants you to be more like you were vs. Boston- that is- actually trying.

So stop pouting and being lazy and move your ####ing legs. We all know you’re better than how your playing and it’s a matter of effort.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by sa226

Id like to hear what Peters thinks about the borderline slander.

Frolik is still a good player. He just needs to find some consistency in the lineup.

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My hope is that Peters continues to do what Peters is good at and that’s coach.

Is Alan Walsh coach of the Flames? No.

Is Bill Peters coach of the Flames? Yes.

Who makes the calls on who plays or who doesn’t? Bill.

Who gets paid if their client gets more ice time? Alan.

Okay. Case closed.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Heck one need look no further than today’s trade. Brandon Manning making over 2 million and having another year on his deal was traded for a 3rd line winger. Stone is a far superior player and therefore must have positive value.

That’s not really how trade markets work but okay

[SeanCharles]

I never imagined a situation where we would trade him this season but this may be it.

I think we need to trade Frolik and Stone in the offseason anyways.

Signing Neal and Ryan this offseason solidified this fact.

We need capspace to pay Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich and a 2nd goalie.

[drewtastic]

I'm definitely wearing my Frolik jersey to the game tomorrow now!

[JT96912]

Package up him and Neal and send them on there way. I like Fro but at this point I don't see him fitting in so much. Defensively I like him, but in today's game we need scoring. If we could dump him and Neal and let the hungry young guy's play on the bottom lines, I see progress.

[Mr.Coffee]

If I’m an opposing team GM I look at a guy like Frolik and say to Treliving “okay so you want to give me this guy who’s agent is bellyaching but who doesn’t try or really do anything and sometimes makes bonehead plays and could be injury prone for $4MM?”

Then I would stay silent and wait for Trelivings ask for a 7th round pick to which I may pass.

Honestly who would want this guy now? More like if you’re looking to deal a lower level player let’s chat Dube, Hathaway, Jankowski, Bennett (this won’t be popular here), Mangiapane... you know... people with upside not pouty has beens that want to make a scene in the public eye and embarrass me as GM.

If Frolik wants ice time he should go earn it just like every other player on the team has to.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Agreed.

Frolik would not be a healthy scratch ever on a lot of teams. The Flames are deep in forwards and Frolik has been a casualty of that.

Given his experience and reputation, I don't doubt for a second that a team heading into the playoffs would pay a 2nd rounder for him. He has playoff experience and even though he has been mostly on the 4th line this season, he still has 7 goals in 22 games. That is the kind of depth you want in the playoffs when the top 6 are being pounded every night.

The Flames have lots of bodies as forwards but they've yet to prove consistently they really have depth outside the top line and Tkachuk. Even if 4 guys are looking to be 80+ points at the end of the year, guess who the next closest forward projects to be at? Backlund at not even 40. Number of potential 20 goal forwards outside the top 4, zero.

If Frolik could even be a mediocre 30 point guy that'd be an improvement on anybody not named Backlund, Jankowski and Bennett. However he's in the same boat as everybody. Can't produce for whatever reason. (Yes he has 7 goals, he also is shooting 17% out his norm of 8 and looking largely invisible on any part of the ice).

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If I’m an opposing team GM I look at a guy like Frolik and say to Treliving “okay so you want to give me this guy who’s agent is bellyaching but who doesn’t try or really do anything and sometimes makes bonehead plays and could be injury prone for $4MM?”

Then I would stay silent and wait for Trelivings ask for a 7th round pick to which I may pass.

Honestly who would want this guy now? More like if you’re looking to deal a lower level player let’s chat Dube, Hathaway, Jankowski, Bennett (this won’t be popular here), Mangiapane... you know... people with upside not pouty has beens that want to make a scene in the public eye and embarrass me as GM.

Doesn’t try, wtf? Frolik has his warts but trying has never been one of them. He’s consistently in the top few guys in fitness testing as well.