[News] Jan 3 UPD: Frolik's agent complains about his ice time

[Captaincanada80]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nic Petan would likely be involved. Outside that no point in guessing.

I’d like to see Frolik for Tanev. Cgy gets cap relief next year and a serviceable 4th line guy for the remainder of this season

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

You run the risk we won’t be able to unload them in the summer and be in significant cap trouble if Tkachuk pushes for a contract is north of $8M per.

I don’t think there’s much risk of that. The Oilers just dealt a 3rd for a guy that sounds worse than Stone. I mean we’re not talking about Brouwer here. These guys aren’t buyout candidates. They are solid NHLers who still contribute. Stone would probably play 20 mins on the Oilers right now if they had him healthy. Frolik would be a 1st or 2nd line winger on the Oil.

Depth players on good teams have value. Stone is only #7 here because we have tremendous depth on defense. He’s a 4-6 guy on a chunk of the teams in the league. Frolik is a solid 3rd line winger on most teams and would be a top two liner on the weaker clubs. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that their value has massively dropped just because the Flames depth got a lot better.

I doubt we trade Frolik, he’s valuable to us. Stone I could see going if the entire defense gets healthy at the same time but it’s easy to imagine us keeping him as well.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don’t think there’s much risk of that. The Oilers just dealt a 3rd for a guy that sounds worse than Stone. I mean we’re not talking about Brouwer here. These guys aren’t buyout candidates. They are solid NHLers who still contribute. Stone would probably play 20 mins on the Oilers right now if they had him healthy. Frolik would be a 1st or 2nd line winger on the Oil.

Depth players on good teams have value. Stone is only #7 here because we have tremendous depth on defense. He’s a 4-6 guy on a chunk of the teams in the league. Frolik is a solid 3rd line winger on most teams and would be a top two liner on the weaker clubs. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that their value has massively dropped just because the Flames depth got a lot better.

I doubt we trade Frolik, he’s valuable to us. Stone I could see going if the entire defense gets healthy at the same time but it’s easy to imagine us keeping him as well.

This. The only guy unmovable on this team is Neal, everyone else could be traded for salary reasons if need be.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think we could easily get a 2nd, and maybe even a decent prospect for Frolik. But I wouldn't do that trade unless we had plans to acquire another similar player somehow.

Guys, we've got to come down to earth on these valuations a little. Between two posters we could apparently get two seconds for Frolik and Stone.


If Trelving could completely turn around our draft cupboard with two seconds while only trading a healthy scratch and a declining forward spending most of his time on the 4th line, sometimes scratched at a total of $7mil they should just hand him GM of the year as soon as those transactions go through, regardless of anything else that happens anywhere.


Like that's $7mil basically deadweight dollars with term still left for two shots in the second round this summer? C'mon.

[Psytic]

Frolik should be playing he is a good player, he's definitely not a cap dump. Re-unite 3M it is better to have depth than to trade him for a lotto ticket when were competing for the division. Re-visit this in the off season.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Captaincanada80

I’d like to see Frolik for Tanev.

The Flames could finally get that serviceable backup everyone wants ... Oh no, that's the other Tanev.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I don’t think there’s much risk of that. The Oilers just dealt a 3rd for a guy that sounds worse than Stone. I mean we’re not talking about Brouwer here. These guys aren’t buyout candidates. They are solid NHLers who still contribute. Stone would probably play 20 mins on the Oilers right now if they had him healthy. Frolik would be a 1st or 2nd line winger on the Oil.

Depth players on good teams have value. Stone is only #7 here because we have tremendous depth on defense. He’s a 4-6 guy on a chunk of the teams in the league. Frolik is a solid 3rd line winger on most teams and would be a top two liner on the weaker clubs. Don’t make the mistake of thinking that their value has massively dropped just because the Flames depth got a lot better.

I doubt we trade Frolik, he’s valuable to us. Stone I could see going if the entire defense gets healthy at the same time but it’s easy to imagine us keeping him as well.

I am ha I gotta a hard time believing a guy that has been a healthy scratch this year on several occasions carrying a $4.3M cap hit is more valuable to us than the cap space we will need to improve the team next summer. Frolik has been mediocre going back to last season and if we can cut bait with him now we should do it. If we can get back a pick and have the cap space that would be great, if we can take back a cheaper contract and get a potential really useful player (Petan for example) then I would do that as well.

I don’t think Stone is a 4 on any team that is more than a bubble team. At $3.5M he is a highly paid bottom pair Dman.

If you could trade both for guys that will be UFA this summer then I would be all over it.

[Flash Walken]

I don't think a big enough deal is being made about the tenor of this announcement.

Players agent publicly suggesting the coach is trying to run his client out of town.

When was the last time you've ever heard something like this?

[Yoho]

Same way Mike Smith is getting “ran out of town”

It’s not show friends, it’s show business.

[sa226]

Id like to hear what Peters thinks about the borderline slander.

Frolik is still a good player. He just needs to find some consistency in the lineup.

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't think a big enough deal is being made about the tenor of this announcement.

Players agent publicly suggesting the coach is trying to run his client out of town.

When was the last time you've ever heard something like this?

One wonders if the Flames have already asked Frolik to waive his limited ntc and that’s partly why his agent (who I largely view to be a blow hard) sees this as an attempt to run him out of town

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Guys, we've got to come down to earth on these valuations a little. Between two posters we could apparently get two seconds for Frolik and Stone.


If Trelving could completely turn around our draft cupboard with two seconds while only trading a healthy scratch and a declining forward spending most of his time on the 4th line, sometimes scratched at a total of $7mil they should just hand him GM of the year as soon as those transactions go through, regardless of anything else that happens anywhere.


Like that's $7mil basically deadweight dollars with term still left for two shots in the second round this summer? C'mon.

How do you explain a 2nd and 3rd for 9 goal Glencross? And then he’s out of the league the next year.

How do you explain almost getting a 1st rounder+ for a guy that a lot of fans wanted to dump (Russell)?

Frolik hasn’t really shown any signs of regressing IMO. He’s dropped down the lineup because our depth got better and the coach isn’t married to playing him on the same line all year. He struggled a bit last year after his injury but that’s pretty common.

Stone is only a healthy scratch because we have some pretty awesome young defensemen. It’s not because Stone sucks or is a fringe NHLer, he isn’t. He’s a solid dman.

Hey I get why fans are down on these guys. Usually players who are healthy scratches with medium sized contracts aren’t worth much. However the exception is healthy scratched players on very deep teams who would actually be much higher in the lineup on a lot of other teams in the league.

Frolik and Stone are still good players and their contracts are not absurd. They have value. Just like a declining Glencross and Hudler did. Just like fan whipping boy Russell did. Wanna go look up what Russell haters thought his trade value was before we dealt him? Of course Stone haters don’t think he has value. But GMs love physical depth defensemen a lot more than some fans.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

How do you explain a 2nd and 3rd for 9 goal Glencross? And then he’s out of the league the next year.

How do you explain almost getting a 1st rounder+ for a guy that a lot of fans wanted to dump (Russell)?

Frolik hasn’t really shown any signs of regressing IMO. He’s dropped down the lineup because our depth got better and the coach isn’t married to playing him on the same line all year.

Stone is only a healthy scratch because we have some pretty awesome young defensemen. It’s not because Stone sucks or is a fringe NHLer, he isn’t. He’s a solid dman.

Hey I get why fans are down on these guys. Usually players who are healthy scratches with medium sized contracts aren’t worth much. However the exception is healthy scratched players on very deep teams who would actually be much higher in the lineup on a lot of other teams in the league.

Frolik and Stone are still good players and their contracts are not absurd. They have value. Just like a declining Glencross and Hudler did. Just like fan whipping boy Russell did. Wanna go look up what Russell haters thought his trade value was before we dealt him?

Agreed.

Frolik would not be a healthy scratch ever on a lot of teams. The Flames are deep in forwards and Frolik has been a casualty of that.

Given his experience and reputation, I don't doubt for a second that a team heading into the playoffs would pay a 2nd rounder for him. He has playoff experience and even though he has been mostly on the 4th line this season, he still has 7 goals in 22 games. That is the kind of depth you want in the playoffs when the top 6 are being pounded every night.

[browna]

Stone would be the type of guy the Flames would want for depth in a playoff run.

So would Frolik be, though he'd probably be in the lineup and a guy like Quine et al would be the depth, or BT goes gets another vet to bolster deoth. If Frolik goes they have to find a second similar player to fill a regular roster spot.

Something tells me Peters isn't going to pushed around by Walsh. Does Walsh represent any other Flames?

[bigrangy]

Frolik shouldn't even be a healthy scratch on this team, but you don't want to push the guy too hard after coming back from injury.

I like the idea of a Dubé-Backlund-Frolik third line that someone posted earlier. That could be fun.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

One wonders if the Flames have already asked Frolik to waive his limited ntc and that’s partly why his agent (who I largely view to be a blow hard) sees this as an attempt to run him out of town

That's an entirely plausible scenario.

Perhaps a team was inquiring about Frolik? GM notices the healthy scratches and thinks "here's a player on the outs with his coach whom we still think has value."

[browna]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Agreed.
. That is the kind of depth you want in the playoffs when the top 6 are being pounded every night.

Won't the Flames want that same depth that he provides?

Frolik for a handful of magic beans in the second round is fine when you reference Glencross, because the Flames were clearly out of the playoffs and not a huge hope for the next season to make a run either when they traded him but the Flames window is in the next 3 or so years and extra NHL forwards and defenseman (and a goalie?) means the Flames will be buyers this trade deadline.

If you had to trade Frolik, you'd like to find a trading partner with a similar player who wants or is forcing a change of scenery.

[EldrickOnIce]

Getting Bennett off Tkachuk line and Frolik back on would be great. Jankowski line playing well now though.
Bennett back to 4th line? Yeah I think so

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Getting Bennett off Tkachuk line and Frolik back on would be great. Jankowski line playing well now though.
Bennett back to 4th line? Yeah I think so

I agree, Frolik has looked like the only good fit on the second line. Bennett was okay for a while but his production has just not been there.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Frolik
Dube-Jankowski-Bennett
Neal-Ryan-Hathaway

[joejoe3]

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