Edmonton is No Good VI: Chia•den•freu•de

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Sounds like the banner manufacturer is going to be busy...

Most generational Players in a single generation

[GGG]

Originally Posted by nobles_point

Petterson is his generation's generational generator of flux capacitor generated talent.

Tkachuk is a generational agitator. Gaudreau is generational at zone entries.

Lucic is a generational power forward in a game where moving forward is more important than power... but still, he's generational.

He's also got a generational contract

[CNeufeld]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Can someone explain what the ruling was on the allowed Oiler goal?

I saw it at the bar (so no sound), and they froze the picture with the puck over the blueline and the player's skate still firmly and clearly on the ice. So indisputable evidence of off-sides. Then they ruled it a goal anyway.

Now I come here and see that Oiler fans are whining about being jipped again. Amazing.

As far as I can tell, the thinking is that it was the equivalent of a delayed offside. Yeah, the guy going into the box was offside, but the puck wasn't touched by an Oiler before he got his foot off the ice.

Oilers are saved by poor puck control and slow skaters...

C

[tvp2003]

Khaira gets two games:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1075530065306419201

[old-fart]

Oh nooooooo!!!!!! Poor Coilers!!!!!

Wherever will they find a plug that can sort of skate up and down the ice, occasionally without falling, and not score or defend?

Oh right.... they have 100 of them.

[zamler]

Another thing for the Oil to cry about since their last outrage did a face plant.

[Enoch Root]

^ Interesting - that is a play that I wish they would review and suspend for, but I don't recall them actually doing so in the past.

<insert Oiler conspiracy rant here>

I will say though, that Khaira =/= star, therefore suspension

[foshizzle11]

Interesting that a direct hit to the head like that with a stick wasn't given a stiffer punishment. I don't think two games is enough personally.

[Eric Vail]

With McDavid on the ice, the Oilers are outscoring opponents 25-16 in roughly 500 5-on-5 minutes. In the 950 or so minutes that he hasn't been out there in those situations, the Oilers are being outscored 24-36. Those numbers are staggering, but they reaffirm the sad reality that the Oilers are one of the best teams in the league with McDavid on the ice. Without him, there's a viable argument to be made that they're the worst team in the league.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/2...ensive-burdens

ESPN sees the Oilers for what they are.

[foshizzle11]

Eric,
that is a staggering stat, wow! We all knew it was bad, I am just so glad there are people out there who are willing to dig into this.

Every single Oilers fan should read this. We should post this on the main boards of HF. Would be interesting to see what the fans from the whole league think about this and not just Flames and Oiler fans.

[topfiverecords]

Is there a 5vs5 stat ranking somewhere for all 32 teams. How bad are they compared to the rest of the league?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is there a 5vs5 stat ranking somewhere for all 32 teams. How bad are they compared to the rest of the league?

They're slightly better than Seattle for now.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by getbak

They're slightly better than Seattle for now.

I dont know about that, I've yet to see Seattle concede a goal against.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is there a 5vs5 stat ranking somewhere for all 32 teams. How bad are they compared to the rest of the league?

nhl.com, stats for teams, goals for by strength and goals against by strength

[JohnnyB]

That stat doesn't seem so shocking to me, really. Basically McDavid makes a positive difference of around 1.8 goals per 60 minutes that he plays, so probably around 0.6 goals per game considering I guess he's around 20 minutes of even strength play per game. Is that so crazy for star number one C?

It's also not so surprising that the Oilers are a bad 5v5 team without him.

I was actually more surprised to look at the Flames' 5v5 stats on nhl.com and see how much the Flames are actually the beneficiaries of special teams goals this year. I mean, the Flames are clearly a much, much better overall team than the Oilers are, but it's surprising to see how much of the advantage in goals comes on special teams. Quite the turnaround from last year.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/2...ensive-burdens

ESPN sees the Oilers for what they are.

that's interesting. they were talking to a california based media guy on 960 today who said the Oilers were around even in goal differential with McDavid off the ice and I thought to myself no way could that be true

[browna]

Sather started the whole “woe is us” schtick the year or two before he left the Oilers. Pulled all the press lackies in like Jones to believe he was too smart and dangerous for the league to allow the franchise to succeed. Saying if he had unlimited funds like the Rags had at the time, this is pre salary cap era remember, he’d win multiple cups. He went to the Rangers, and didn’t.

But Sather Jr (Lowe) happily took up that torch in Edmonton when Sather left, in multiple ways, including the “everyone is against us” routine, and the press are as enthusiastic as ever to also help continue the persecution complex as the easy excuse for pushing the Oilers down just when it looks they’re supposedly getting back up the ladder.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Is there a 5vs5 stat ranking somewhere for all 32 teams. How bad are they compared to the rest of the league?

+24/60 = 40%

Overall the worst team five on five is Arizona at 41.74%

So yeah they're the worst team in hockey without McDavid on the ice, with the one caveat being that you'd have to remove every team's best player to get a true indication.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

+24/60 = 40%

Overall the worst team five on five is Arizona at 41.74%

So yeah they're the worst team in hockey without McDavid on the ice, with the one caveat being that you'd have to remove every team's best player to get a true indication.

Some you could examine. You could look at Toronto's record minus Matthews for an time this year. Or Getzlaf in Anaheim. Bergeron has been out for a while in Boston. How is Nashville without both Arvidsson and Forsberg?

Prediction - not as bad as Edmonton.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by browna

Sather started the whole “woe is us” schtick the year or two before he left the Oilers. Pulled all the press lackies in like Jones to believe he was too smart and dangerous for the league to allow the franchise to succeed. Saying if he had unlimited funds like the Rags had at the time, this is pre salary cap era remember, he’d win multiple cups. He went to the Rangers, and didn’t.

But Sather Jr (Lowe) happily took up that torch in Edmonton when Sather left, in multiple ways, including the “everyone is against us” routine, and the press are as enthusiastic as ever to also help continue the persecution complex as the easy excuse for pushing the Oilers down just when it looks they’re supposedly getting back up the ladder.

Did you listen to Sather on Prime Time Sports recently? Holy crap that guy is firmly stuck in the 80s glory years. Also he's still arrogant as all hell.