Robot rights? It could happen, U.K. government told

[Looger]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So do you think we will have self aware robots in 30 years?

where did he say that?

EDIT: sorry i misread, didn't see the 'do'

[Burninator]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that we are thinking of robot rights and robot discrimination when we haven't solved these issues with human rights and human discrimination?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that we are thinking of robot rights and robot discrimination when we haven't solved these issues with human rights and human discrimination?

Not to mention, we haven't even figured out our own bodies let alone people thinking we can make AI within 20 years.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

The only way this will become an issue is if Humans start making the demands for them. I really disagree with your assumption that robots will be more productive if they are seen as equals. They will be more productive if we damn well program them to be more productive.

You misunderstood me. I was listing all the different ways that robots could be programmed to exhibit human-like behavior that would seem like it warrants rights. You can program a robot to cry, debate, or work less when it determines that it is subservient. Just crack him open and add something like this:

if (emancipation != true) {work_output = work_output * .75}

I agree with you 100%. The danger really isn't from robots themselves, it's from people who want to believe that their robots have feelings, consciousness, and rights (PETR?). The guy who wants to marry his LucyLiuBot.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by octothorp

The guy who wants to marry his LucyLiuBot.

guess he didn't listen to the space-pope!

for people to say this definitely isn't possible, i guess i say it's best for them to not read up on the subject, might shatter their reality...

MANY tresholds on several slants of AI are broken or breaking.

must be impossible because laptops haven't made improvements in like, 5 years!

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by octothorp

The guy who wants to marry his LucyLiuBot.

Great now we will have to go through all the hoopla of changing the marriage law for robosexuals.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Looger

guess he didn't listen to the space-pope!

for people to say this definitely isn't possible, i guess i say it's best for them to not read up on the subject, might shatter their reality...

MANY tresholds on several slants of AI are broken or breaking.

must be impossible because laptops haven't made improvements in like, 5 years!

Not sure if that is directed to anyone on this site.....but I don't think anyone stated that it was IMPOSSIBLE.

I did say that I think it is unlikely within 100 years....let alone 20.

[Looger]

well, if something's possible, why deny the possible legality of it?

lots of people in this thread are doing that very thing.

but whatever. 'unlikely' things happen all the time in high-level research. many breakthroughs are 'unlikely' despite years, decades of warning, and AI is no different. research has been rampant for a long time, many interests involved, and yes, there are legal and identity issues.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Actually there was a chat bot that passed the Turing test a couple years ago lol:

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/27...sses_sexc.html

Anyone see that documentary "How William Shatner Changed the World"? In one portion of the documentary, they showed this one guy who was trying to make himself into a Borg, and was making some eerie progress. He had that wire connected to his hand that transmitted a signal over the internet to move a robotic hand the next desk over. His goal I think was to ultimately be able to upload his brain onto the internet. Freaky.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

So do you think we will have self aware robots in 30 years?

I think only a fool would believe, definitively, that there will or will not be self aware robots in 30 years. Who knows? What is your real, scientific basis for speculation on the distant future? I don't think many (any) of us really qualify as experts in the field of AI.

[evman150]

I think the point is 30 years is not really the distant future.

Have computers (for example) changed all that much in 30 years? Have televisions? Anything else? Besides the internet, which really was around in some form 30 years ago, is there any area of technology in society that has undergone anything resembling a paradigm shift, such as true AI would entail?

30 years isn't that long.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I think only a fool would believe, definitively, that there will or will not be self aware robots in 30 years. Who knows? What is your real, scientific basis for speculation on the distant future? I don't think many (any) of us really qualify as experts in the field of AI.

Your right in that fact that most of us can't really say for sure what is going to happen. But I make my assumption on a few things. First, we dont even know how our own brain works....what makes you think we can make one? Second......the amount of computer power needed to make a living AI that can equal a human is IMO not possible at the present. Maybe once we can make reliable quantum computers.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Actually there was a chat bot that passed the Turing test a couple years ago lol:

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/27...sses_sexc.html

That's actually not a true Turing test, since the people in question would have no way of knowing that they were talking with a machine. Under the rules of the Turing test, a human judge is told that they will be talking to a computer and to a human via text communication, and asked to judge which is which. That's a much higher level of scrutiny than the example you posted.