2018 NFL thread

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, the Eagles weren't making noise this year with the secondary in the condition that it is, so Dallas winning the division is the next best thing for everyone else in the NFC East.

What about the offense in the state it's in? Every team has injuries and while the Eagles have quite a few they're also being bounced out of the leagues most laughable division.
That doesn happen to good teams with top end QBs

[Senator Clay Davis]

It's funny that the anti Chiefs-Rams game of the year also features the Rams. Could easily see four INTs each with how much time is left.

[DropIt]

Yeah. Both QBs are really blowing this. If either one was having even a QB managing type game with no turnovers this could have been over by half

[Senator Clay Davis]

Gurley fantasy owners must be losing their #### watching this game, only 10 carries is absurd.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DropIt

What about the offense in the state it's in? Every team has injuries and while the Eagles have quite a few they're also being bounced out of the leagues most laughable division.
That doesn happen to good teams with top end QBs

They're a bad team with an underperforming QB. Thought I already said this?

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by rubecube

They're a bad team with an underperforming QB. Thought I already said this?

All I've read is how the Cowboys were lucky that the Eagles were so hurt, but I see a pretty healthy offense sputtering behind some pretty questionable play calls.

Seems Pederson is trying too hard

[Luder]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Gurley fantasy owners must be losing their #### watching this game, only 10 carries is absurd.

During fantasy playoffs no doubt

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That Cooper trade we thought was dumb for a 3-4 team to make has been amazing.

Cooper is a good receiver and still only 24 years old. Highly likely they don't find a receiver as good as him in this draft so it was a good trade for the Cowboys. That said Cooper is clearly playing harder for the Cowboys than he was for the Raiders. He's going to get a big deal from Jerry and the question will be how long before he loses his desire again as I don't think he's a guy that loves football.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by DropIt

All I've read is how the Cowboys were lucky that the Eagles were so hurt, but I see a pretty healthy offense sputtering behind some pretty questionable play calls.

Seems Pederson is trying too hard

Originally Posted by rubecube

The defense I can kind of excuse because they've been absolutely decimated by injuries, but the offense has no excuse. Pederson's play-calling has been trash, the offensive line isn't holding up, and Wentz is either not all the way back or he's regressed badly.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The craziest thing about watching Mahomes is his mechanics (and his footwork specifically) still have room to improve. So just imagine when he adds consistency to that part of the game to these throws that still don't really make sense

https://twitter.com/user/status/1072179547267837954

[transplant99]

Raiders have fired Reggie McKenzie...Rappaport.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Cooper is a good receiver and still only 24 years old. Highly likely they don't find a receiver as good as him in this draft so it was a good trade for the Cowboys. That said Cooper is clearly playing harder for the Cowboys than he was for the Raiders. He's going to get a big deal from Jerry and the question will be how long before he loses his desire again as I don't think he's a guy that loves football.

A big drop is coming in a playoff game

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Raiders have fired Reggie McKenzie...Rappaport.

I am seeing media people talk up how reggie inherited a horrible situation and did amazing with it, which is half true, the teams cap was a mess and there was very little talent

That being said, the cap issue wasnt a hard one to fix, he gutted the team, and they sucked. If he had done so while staying competitive i get the praise, but its like praising a gm for finishing last on a year they wanted to tank

Im happy hes gone now though, which he already was essentially as gruden has personal move authority and will bring in his guy, and the first draft gruden ran has been our best in a while, hurst is going to be able to anchor a d line, hall and key are both raw but will be good pass rushers, and the tackles are improving every week and were both again raw guys. Nick Nelson missed first half of the year recovering from injury waa caused his draft drop, and will go into next season a starter at slot corner, and ateman is building a bit of trust with carr, may have something there.

My point being, to already have that many contributers from a draft is a great year for any team, for the raiders its a miracle

The reason the team has no depth, or very little youth in their mid 20s contributing is because of how bad reggie drafted, outside the one year he crushed it with mack, carr, and gabe jackson, here are the top 4 picks in his 5 drafts.

Gareon Conley
Obi Melifonwu
Eddie Vanderdoes
David Sharpe

Karl Joseph
Jihad Ward
Shaq calhoun
Connor cook

Amari cooper
Mario edwards
Clive walford
Jon feliciano

Khalil mack
Derek carr
Gabe jackson
Justin ellis

Dj hayden
Menelik watson
Sio moore
Tyler wilson


Thats a horrible return, and justification for being fired years ago, so all the media today is going to praise reggie and rip the raiders, i wish some of em would look at what reggie actually failed to do.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Not that I'm coming to defend McKenzie, but Gruden's track record in Tampa is very ugly too. If he brings Bruce Allen over from the Redskins, I'd probably just switch loyalties if I was a Raider fan. Future would be remarkably bleak at that point.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Steelers loss opens up the miracle scenario

https://twitter.com/user/status/1071927479793782784

I Still Believe!!

08-29-2018, 11:28 AM Weitz

I'm putting $20 on the Browns winning their division. This is their year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

I am seeing media people talk up how reggie inherited a horrible situation and did amazing with it, which is half true, the teams cap was a mess and there was very little talent

That being said, the cap issue wasnt a hard one to fix, he gutted the team, and they sucked. If he had done so while staying competitive i get the praise, but its like praising a gm for finishing last on a year they wanted to tank

Im happy hes gone now though, which he already was essentially as gruden has personal move authority and will bring in his guy, and the first draft gruden ran has been our best in a while, hurst is going to be able to anchor a d line, hall and key are both raw but will be good pass rushers, and the tackles are improving every week and were both again raw guys. Nick Nelson missed first half of the year recovering from injury waa caused his draft drop, and will go into next season a starter at slot corner, and ateman is building a bit of trust with carr, may have something there.

My point being, to already have that many contributers from a draft is a great year for any team, for the raiders its a miracle

The reason the team has no depth, or very little youth in their mid 20s contributing is because of how bad reggie drafted, outside the one year he crushed it with mack, carr, and gabe jackson, here are the top 4 picks in his 5 drafts.

Gareon Conley
Obi Melifonwu
Eddie Vanderdoes
David Sharpe

Karl Joseph
Jihad Ward
Shaq calhoun
Connor cook

Amari cooper
Mario edwards
Clive walford
Jon feliciano

Khalil mack
Derek carr
Gabe jackson
Justin ellis

Dj hayden
Menelik watson
Sio moore
Tyler wilson


Thats a horrible return, and justification for being fired years ago, so all the media today is going to praise reggie and rip the raiders, i wish some of em would look at what reggie actually failed to do.

I think his drafting has been about league average or slightly better. Guys like Watson, Hayden, Ward are still in the NFL. Denico Autry is having a decent season for the Colts with 8 sacks. Reggie also had a bit of bad luck with the injury bug as some of the guys like Vanderdoes, Oibi, and MEJr could never get on the field. You could look at a lot of GM's over that time in the NFL and see less players still playing in the league to show for their drafts. That said there's no doubt there wasn't a lot of magic with his last few drafts and the hope is that the next GM can make better use of 2nd round picks which is where Reggie missed a lot.

I really don't think Gruden's first draft was all that great. Miller looks like he could be a good LT but none of the pass rushers he picked can actually rush the passer. Verdict is still out on this draft but to me it looks average at best.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think his drafting has been about league average or slightly better. Guys like Watson, Hayden, Ward are still in the NFL. Denico Autry is having a decent season for the Colts with 8 sacks. Reggie also had a bit of bad luck with the injury bug as some of the guys like Vanderdoes, Oibi, and MEJr could never get on the field. You could look at a lot of GM's over that time in the NFL and see less players still playing in the league to show for their drafts. That said there's no doubt there wasn't a lot of magic with his last few drafts and the hope is that the next GM can make better use of 2nd round picks which is where Reggie missed a lot.

I really don't think Gruden's first draft was all that great. Miller looks like he could be a good LT but none of the pass rushers he picked can actually rush the passer. Verdict is still out on this draft but to me it looks average at best.

A lot of those are high picks and if they are playing are league average or below, including the first rounders

For this yeara, hurst is i think near the top of rookie dl rankings, and key and hall have been inconsistent but like i said were super raw, they wont be pro bowlers per say, but i think at the very least are very good rotation defensive lineman

This draft is big, yesterdays win hurt things but i think we are in a very good spot at 1 or 2

Bosa is a clear number 1, but after that anywhere in the top 10 theres going to be available defensive difference makers at dl (williams, oliver, gary) lb (white, allen, bush) or cb (greedy or baker)

Either take bosa, or if theres a huge offer, someone is going to want to move up for herbert or haskins (who is getting a ton of love as potential 1-1 on espn)

Like clay said the drafting in tampa wasnt awesome, but i trust the unknown over the known im reggie. It will be an enviable position too, moving to vegas, plenty of cap space, and as of right now 4 picks in the top 34, plus 2 1sts next year

[Cheese]

My god those Seahawks color rush jerseys are horrible!

[chummer]

Love the Seattle uni's.

Go Hawks!!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I never like the weird neon uni's. Anyway, so far Seattle being really dumb with penalties.