[News] UPD post #250: Giordano suspended 2 games for kneeing. Lomberg suspended 2 games

[rohara66]

How Kunitz doesn't get a hearing for his elbow on Hamonic the other day but Gio gets a hearing for that trip is MIND BOTTLING!



Garbage officiating.

[VladtheImpaler]

The Giordano thing is just a classic trip, like in football (soccer) when a guy beats a defender. It's a yellow card for a professional foul, but there is no malice there. 2 minute penalty is all that is.

[Duffalufagus]

The blue skying of the Gio hit is bananas. It was reckless and dangerous. He will get 2 at least imo.

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So you could skate hunched over, head leaning forward and make yourself unhittable.

Did I say he was unhittable? I said you don't hit the head, he could have pushed his body, or heck even tripped him, as the league is learning concussions can ruin a life.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I'd be absolutely shocked if Gio gets anything. I'd be ok with no further action, a small fine or even a 1 game suspension (although I doubt it). Even if it was a total accident he definitely clipped Koivu in a vulnerable position knee on knee. And of course they always take injuries into account.

I think this is the best view. Makes it clear it was just poor timing from Gio. Koivu had him beat and he kept his leg out but got there too late and only clipped the leg. If he's half a second earlier, that's a textbook pin to the boards.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1070900131778547713


As for the Dumba hit I absolutely hated it and upon further review he definitely doesn't leave his feet, doesn't get his elbow up but 100% the head is the principle point of contact.

I get that Backs was leaning forward but that's what these rules are designed for. You can't go barreling into a player with his head down, leaning forward and destroy him.

What concerns me about the Dumba hit, especially in comparison to something like the Gio play, is how predatory it was. Gio's was a bad read and mistake that caused an injury. Fine, I'm ok with accidents needing discipline when the result is bad. For Dumba, I think he had more than enough time to see Backs was vulnerable and decided to go for the kill anyways. I'm not cool with that. You've got to ease up a bit.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by neo45

Yes

3>2

great math!

Thanks for educating all of us that it's possible to come back from a 2 goal deficit in the last minute, but absolutely impossible to come back from being down by 3.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It’s not that simple. A player becomes vulnerable in a split second and in a game that rewards hard hits, it’s impossible to legislate out hard hits to “vulnerable” players IMO. Watch minor hockey and look at how often kids expose themselves along the boards. Hits to vulnerable players are almost unavoidable. In my opinion.

Sometimes it is split-second, yes, and there is not much you can do about those. It is a contact game.

However, he was vulnerable throughout Dumba's approach. Everyone (except Backlund) saw it coming.

It was very much like the Abdelkater hit actually - lots of buildup time, initial contact to the head, aggressive, feet on the ice at moment of contact, but pushing upward in an aggressive manner.

Either the league wants to reduce head injuries or they don't. Make a decision and go with it. But if they do, that one should be suspendable.

[Robbob]

So the only reason DPPS is talking to Gio because Koivu got hurt. Okay fine, but so is Backlund.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I'd be absolutely shocked if Gio gets anything. I'd be ok with no further action, a small fine or even a 1 game suspension (although I doubt it). Even if it was a total accident he definitely clipped Koivu in a vulnerable position knee on knee. And of course they always take injuries into account.

I think this is the best view. Makes it clear it was just poor timing from Gio. Koivu had him beat and he kept his leg out but got there too late and only clipped the leg. If he's half a second earlier, that's a textbook pin to the boards.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1070900131778547713


As for the Dumba hit I absolutely hated it and upon further review he definitely doesn't leave his feet, doesn't get his elbow up but 100% the head is the principle point of contact.

I get that Backs was leaning forward but that's what these rules are designed for. You can't go barreling into a player with his head down, leaning forward and destroy him.

What concerns me about the Dumba hit, especially in comparison to something like the Gio play, is how predatory it was. Gio's was a bad read and mistake that caused an injury. Fine, I'm ok with accidents needing discipline when the result is bad. For Dumba, I think he had more than enough time to see Backs was vulnerable and decided to go for the kill anyways. I'm not cool with that. You've got to ease up a bit.

Precisely. Giordano's actions were reactionary - Koivu beat him and he instinctively threw out whatever body part was closest, to try and slow him down. Still responsible for his actions, but there was no intent (he didn't have time for intent).

Dumba targeted Backlund, and when he realized Backlund had his head down, he cranked the hit up to 10. He had time to gear down, but chose to gear up instead.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So you could skate hunched over, head leaning forward and make yourself unhittable.

That's not the reality of the league, you can't hit people when their back is turned for example and you shouldn't be able to wallop someone in the head because they've hunched over. And what they are saying now is you can't hit other players in the head in any scenario either.

Instead, you play the puck, or bump into them but with less force. Same thing should have happened here instead of Dumbo trying to impress everyone by going through his head full tilt like a moron.

I think the odds that players are going to start playing the game in a hunch to avoid being checked is pretty low personally but I think its a risk worth taking to avoid concusssions.

[Plett25]

The official view on the Dumba hit seems to be that a headshot on a vulnerable player is ok if you're losing

And a trip gets a penalty and a hearing, unless you're losing and you trip a player shooting on an empty net, in which case no call

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by sixpacked

Except his act of targeting a player hunched over with his head down, directly in front of him trying to clear the puck out of his zone. If you are going to do this, except retaliation. I don't have a problem with the hit aside from the above. Wasn't late, primary contact was chest, incidental head contact. No blame should be placed on Backlund for trying to make a hockey play late in a close game.

I have no problem with the Dumba hit. I also have no problem with Lomberg going after him, he just saw a teammate get hurt on a questionable hit (without the benefit of replays) so full marks for him standing up to send a message. I'm actually surprised no one went after Gio after his knee trip on Koivu, would have been just as warranted

[keenan87]

Dumba made a pretty clean hit. The type of hit Phaneuf would make back in the day and all of us would love. Good on Dumba for not taking the loss and caring enough to make a statement.

As for Giordano, that shouldn't be anymore than a penalty. However, he has made dirty plays like this in the past and might get more.

Lomberg did exactly what his role is and should be suspended. It's okay though because he is not a key part of the team.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Dumba made a pretty clean hit. The type of hit Phaneuf would make back in the day and all of us would love. Good on Dumba for not taking the loss and caring enough to make a statement.

As for Giordano, that shouldn't be anymore than a penalty. However, he has made dirty plays like this in the past and might get more.

Lomberg did exactly what his role is and should be suspended. It's okay though because he is not a key part of the team.

It used to be a clean hit when Phaneuf did it at first or when Stevens did it in his day, hits to the head are supposed to be penalized now. I dunno how people can argue it is clean, just trying to understand, are you watching it and thinking he didn't catch his head but got him in the chest? Or is it just the he should have kept his head up mentality?

[puckedoff]

^ He should have kept his head up, its not a mentality its hockey.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

^ He should have kept his head up, its not a mentality its hockey.

It used to be hockey. It isn't anymore. They changed the rules, now they can enforce them.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Matty81

It used to be a clean hit when Phaneuf did it at first or when Stevens did it in his day, hits to the head are supposed to be penalized now. I dunno how people can argue it is clean, just trying to understand, are you watching it and thinking he didn't catch his head but got him in the chest? Or is it just the he should have kept his head up mentality?

I think he should have kept his head up. You don't put yourself in vulnerable spots and hockey is a fast sport. Little kids are taught to keep your head up when they first start playing. As for Backlund, maybe if he had kept his head up, the hit would have been clearly to the chest (game of inches). He didn't, it's part of the game, so deal with the concussion and move on.

[Weitz]

I don't know looks like feet on ground elbow in to me. Backlund got caught in an awkward position.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

^ He should have kept his head up, its not a mentality its hockey.

Gotcha, just wanted to understand how so many Flames fans are taking this perspective after watching on of the team's best players take a headshot.


Disagree with you completely but at least I get where you are coming from.

For me I also think he should have protected himself better, but it doesn't change that the rules are saying you can't hit the head anymore and I think there should have been a suspension by the letter of the law.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It used to be hockey. It isn't anymore. They changed the rules, now they can enforce them.

Yes, dirty hits to the head should be removed from the game. Tom Wilson makes dirty hits with the player not even touching the puck.

I don't think a hit with your head down is a dirty play because the player puts themselves in a bad spot. It's a good way to wake your team up and get some momentum.