[News] UPD post #250: Giordano suspended 2 games for kneeing. Lomberg suspended 2 games

[neo45]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

How? It was a dirty hit. People need to stop being such homers if u switched around the teams everyone would be crying for blood. Stop acting like Oilers fans

All fan forums have a ton of disingenuous people when it comes to this stuff.

We all know what this site’s reaction would be if a different player stuck his leg out and injuried our captain because he was out of position. Especially if that player had done extremely similar things in the past resulting in injury. The Aho one is clean, but you have to be a real next level homer to try and defend that Bobby Ryan one

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

How? It was a dirty hit. People need to stop being such homers if u switched around the teams everyone would be crying for blood. Stop acting like Oilers fans

There’s nothing remotely dirty about Gio’s play, it was a penalty and Koivu got his panties in a twist. Amazing how Kunitz got ####ing nothing and Gio will get a suspension.

[getbak]

Here's the sequence of events of the Dumbass hit.



His skates lose contact with the ice in the 5th frame of the hit (at 30fps, that's 1/6th of a second into the hit). By the standard the league uses, that means his feet were on the ice for the hit.

[AC]

I agree he didn't leave his feet until the follow through.

I don't agree that head contact wasn't the principle point of contact though. That frame by frame look certainly looks like it was.

[Matty81]

^ I'm not concerned with him leaving his feet but how anybody can watch that and say the head isn't the initial and principle point of contact is just beyond me.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

However the game was over, he was headhunting AND he wouldn't answer the bell for it afterwards - that's the biggest issue that I have with it.

Game was not over. Two goal game with the puck in the offensive zone and that’s the proper defensive play.

In fact IF he doesn’t make that play THEN the game actually would have been over for his team.

Backlund did a terrible job of defending himself. Head down and reaching forward for a 50/50 puck.

[MacDaddy77]

Sure looks like the head was principle point of contact. Not sure what the leagues looking at here

[Nelson]

Giordano's hit was knee-on-knee and Koivu is injured so I'm not surprised he has a hearing scheduled. It was a dirty play. He is not a dirty player, but that was dirty.

Big loss.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Matty81

^ I'm not concerned with him leaving his feet but how anybody can watch that and say the head isn't the initial and principle point of contact is just beyond me.

The issue is that Backlund has his head down. What else could Dumba do to avoid hitting his head? It's an aggressive hit but within the rules and the injury is more due to Backlund being in a vulnerable position. I hate dirty plays as much as anyone but if we are going to get up in arms about hits like this then the only course of action is to remove hitting from the game all together because this is the kind of thing that's going to happen on occasions when a player it not prepared to take a hit.

[Zevo]

The only thing that makes that a bad hit is Backland being bent over. Dumba's arm was tucked and he didn't leave his feet until the hit carried him up.

Gio will at most get one game I would imagine. Hoping for a fine.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by getbak

Here's the sequence of events of the Dumbass hit.



His skates lose contact with the ice in the 5th frame of the hit (at 30fps, that's 1/6th of a second into the hit). By the standard the league uses, that means his feet were on the ice for the hit.

Yeah...the hit is unfortunate, but Backlund is 6'1 and taller than Dumba at 6'0, yet Backlund looks smaller than Gaudreau in that image. It looks like Dumba is towering over him with how crouched Backlund is here. I don't think it's dirty at all (and they are still in the game at this point, why wouldn't they play hard?).

Backlund needs to keep his head up, he had to make a play, he got a bad hit. End of story. We would laugh at the Oilers and Hall for not keeping his head up, it's still a clean hit.

[shotinthebacklund]

Lomberg suspended 1 Game

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Can we be okay with the Dumba hit and happy Lomberg went at him?

pretty much my position...

i though the dumba hit was borderline...didn't necessarily believe he'd get suspended... thought he'd get a call from DOPS

no issue with the Lombo suspension nor the Peters fine. Both knew what they were doing and what the repercussion were.

Sometimes you bite the bullet and understand that was important to stand up for your team mate... that's how you build a culture and identity for your team.

no issue with Gio... accidental/on purpose hit... should be reviewed and probably gets a game... if the shoe was on the other foot, Flames fan would want a suspension too...

whole lotta nothing in my opinion

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Lomberg suspended 1 Game

You're behind, he also has a hearing.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The transfer of kinetic energy and angular momentum in hockey hits very often causes players to rise up. In fact, players often “jump” into hits just before they give them (without their skates leaving the ground before contact) - this is legal. Players do it to add upwards momentum to the whole equation, which means that the target player is less likely to be able to remain in control after being hit.

Again, this is legal, and when timed right, is very effective.

If Backlund is bent over and his head is at elbow height, then why on earth would Dumba have to rise up? He hit him with the intent to hurt him and he put him out of the game. Dirty play. Just like Giordano sticking his leg out was a dirty play.

Lomberg is going to lose some money and miss a game or two but my guess is that the Flames will keep him up in the NHL longer earning the larger salary so it will work out.

If nothing else, all this nonsense has me excited for the next Wild vs Flames matchup, which is pretty rare.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The issue is that Backlund has his head down. What else could Dumba do to avoid hitting his head?

No way you're convincing me Dumba has to go right through him like that. Players are responsible for the outcome of their actions regardless of where the other player's head is. Otherwise every guy under 5'9" in the league's melon would be fair game for anyone over 6'2", they have a responsibility to avoid hard head hits or they should be penalized.

Control your body and make the same hit without putting the other player in danger of injury.

I get that people still like the open ice hits, what I'm saying is be consistent on the head contact.

It's either allowed or it isn't... don't pick and choose some scenarios based on blaming the guy who got concussed.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The issue is that Backlund has his head down. What else could Dumba do to avoid hitting his head?

Dumba has his arm tucked where it should be, and attempts to plant his body mass square into Backlund’s chest, which he would have done had Backlund not had his head down.

In the split second of real time, I’m not sure what Dumba is supposed to do. Dumba did everything that a player is supposed to do to make a clean hit.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Matty81

^ I'm not concerned with him leaving his feet but how anybody can watch that and say the head isn't the initial and principle point of contact is just beyond me.

So players can't check if players pull a Hall and crouch with their head down while they have the puck?

The head is the first point of contact because he was crouching. Let's say Dumba was stationary in that frame, Backlund's head would still have been first point of contact.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Not sure why the Gio play warrants a suspension, it's a 2 min penatly. Gio isn't the type to deliberately hurt a guy.

I don't recall the league looking at Staal when he broke Gaudreau's hand.

This probably irritates me the most when talking about NHL officiating.

After this slashing incident on Gaudreau resulting in a broken hand and about 10 missed games, the NHL called for more disciplinary action regarding slashing.

But Gaudreau continues to be targeted with no action from the refs. Gaudreau is a star player, the NHL says they should be protected, yet they are not.

P...es me right off.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Firebot

So players can't check if players pull a Hall and crouch with their head down while they have the puck?

The head is the first point of contact because he was crouching. Let's say Dumba was stationary in that frame, Backlund's head would still have been first point of contact.

Yes absolutely you can't head hit a guy in the head just because he's made himself vulnerable.

It's the same logic as hitting from behind... do you think it's crazy that players can't be hit hard from behind because they turn their back? Players are still responsible for hurting the other player even though they've made themselves vulnerable.


I don't even care if it's allowed or not personally, I'm not the one out there getting my brains scrambled. Just be ####ing consistent on it. Head is off limits for hard hits or it's not and call it every time. The problem I have with this league is the randomness of its discipline.