[GDT] Flames @ Hawks 5:00PM MT Sportsnet West/Sportnet 960

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I disagree. Lomberg takes advantage of every second he is given in a game. Czarnik on the other hand I sometimes forget that he even playes for the Flames. Clearly Czarnik is the more skilled player, but he can learn a lot about from the way Lomberg makes the best of his opportunity.

I agree with that, but I don’t think Lomberg has NHL level skill. I guess he makes sense as a call up for the 4th line.

[Bunk]

I have a good feeling about Eat Bread and Real Deal together. One of them will score today.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Bennett has already played 43 more games as a Flame than Ference did.

I always find it interesting how long current players have been around compared to the length we all assign to past players that were actually only around for a season or two.

Like TJ Brodie has played more games than Lanny McDonald or Craig Conroy.

Or Sam Bennett played more games in Calgary than Doug Gilmour.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I always find it interesting how long current players have been around compared to the length we all assign to past players that were actually only around for a season or two.

Like TJ Brodie has played more games than Lanny McDonald or Craig Conroy.

Or Sam Bennett played more games in Calgary than Doug Gilmour.

Yeah a couple of those are real mind effs
Particularly the Brodie one

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ sadly I suspect the dearth of noteworthy achievements since 2004 would factor in to the noticeability of some of these guys.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I always find it interesting how long current players have been around compared to the length we all assign to past players that were actually only around for a season or two.

Like TJ Brodie has played more games than Lanny McDonald or Craig Conroy.

Or Sam Bennett played more games in Calgary than Doug Gilmour.

And whose fault is that...

[Cali Panthers Fan]

For those who have it, this game will also be shown on the NHL network here in the States.

I like the fact that they pulled Czarnik for Mangiapane. I think they're very comparable players in size, skill, AHL prowess, and lack of success to date in the NHL. I get the sense that the organization is going to keep one of these guys and move the other at some point in the future, so putting either/or in the lineup for comparison makes sense.

Czarnik may be skilled, but he really needs to elevate his compete level. He rarely wins puck battles and has a tough time keeping plays alive in the offensive zone, or getting the puck out of the defensive zone. If Mangiapane can prove effective in those regards and put up similar offensive chances (very doable) I wouldn't be shocked to see him steal Czarnik's spot in the lineup. If nothing else, this should push Czarnik to be harder to play against...one hopes.

[activeStick]

Neat look at the Flames players.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1069289275907280897

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think Czarnik is better than Lomberg, Hathaway and Mangiapane (at this point), but whatever.

Czarnik has more speed and puckhandling ability than those guys. But nowhere near the compete level of Lomberg and Hathaway (we'll see how Mangiapane does). You'd love a lower line guy to have skill like him and a compete like Hathaway/Lomberg. Which is why I like Dube, because I think he fits that description.

[N26]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah a couple of those are real mind effs
Particularly the Brodie one

Best one is David Schlemko never scored a goal for the Flames.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Neat look at the Flames players.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1069289275907280897

what is xG/shot (the vertical axis)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah a couple of those are real mind effs
Particularly the Brodie one

I understand the sentiment, though I was never as big a Lanny fan as most people here. Conroy's deal is that he was here twice and no one really thinks of the interim period much.

The Cup magnifies Gilmour and McDonald's time as Flames a lot. Loob as well.

[GranteedEV]

I have a good feeling....

Sam Bennett hat trick

[Iggy Snipe]

I am ok with Smith starting again today, because he won his last game, and I believe it should be "Win and your In" anyways. Neither goalie is a true #1 NHL goalie, rittich doesn't have a big enough sample size, and Smith is playing like a timbits goalie.

Rittich is not a true #1 (yet) , and Smith's career is coming to a close, but we NEED both goalies to play well in the long term this season.

Goaltending has been the story for the Flames all year, many think the Flames would be even higher in the standings, if they got even average goaltending.

The Flames don't need spectacular goaltending to win games, they just can't have the soft ones go in regularly, as they have been all year for Smith, and even Rittich vs Dallas.

No doubt Rittich has outplayed Smith, but the Flames do need Smith to get out of this Funk, and he is trending in that direction which is good to see.

Hopefully both goalies play well consistently, and the Win and your In attitude plays out in the Flames favour. Winning every 6 or 7 game out of 10 the rest of the way would be amazing.

Im rooting for Smith to play well, as he has been embarrassingly bad this season.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by SixtySix

Smith's two wins have been in games where the Flames completely dominated for 60 minutes,

Yet they needed him to make a big save that led to the powerplay that they scored the game winner on.

You don't have to trust him right now but atleast give him props for playing a part in Friday's win. Even if you thought the goal he let in was bad.

[cracher]

Originally Posted by N26

Best one is David Schlemko never scored a goal for the Flames.

Hm? The only reason I remember that name was for the goal he scored. He executed the Forsberg with more flare than Forsberg.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SixtySix

Smith's two wins have been in games where the Flames completely dominated for 60 minutes, a shooter tutor would have got the W as well. Last game he proved that the issue with soft goals that shouldn't be goals is not fixed.

A. Last game's goal wasn't soft. Saveable? yeah. Soft? No. That goal goes in on plenty of goalies, including Rittich, a healthy percentage of the time.

B. Flames don't win without a save from Smith when it was tied. Shooter tutor doesn't stop that one.

C. Rittich's wins have largely come in Flames-dominated games too, especially in November. The games he can claim as personal victories were Winnipeg, NYR and maybe Buffalo.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

what is xG/shot (the vertical axis)

Expected goals per shot, I assume. Monahan has an xG/shot of just below 0.13, so based on where he's shooting from, an average shooter should score on about 13% of his shots. Whereas Neal is at 0.06 xG/shot, so the same average shooter should only score on 6% of his shots.

[N26]

Originally Posted by cracher

Hm? The only reason I remember that name was for the goal he scored. He executed the Forsberg with more flare than Forsberg.

But it was a shoot out goal so even though it was stamp-worthy statistically it doesn't really exist and Schlemko never scored in the 30 games he played with the team.

[Bingo]

I think that chart also says Sam Bennett has the second highest expected production per shot but Misses the net more than anybody?


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