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sureLoss · 11-30-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

I assumed that if he is traded as a RFA, the team he goes to IS the re-signing team. I think your scenario only applies to UFA but i could be completely wrong.

To sign a player to an 8 year contract, he must have been on the team's reserve list as of the most recent trade deadline.

This is why the Flames couldn't sign Hanifin to a 8 year deal.

transplant99 · 11-30-2018, 09:33 AM

Thank you.

stemit14 · 11-30-2018, 09:38 AM

I imagine if nylander is traded within the next 24 hours, he’ll have already worked out a deal with his new team. No team will trade for him and then have to negotiate with so little time left. Which means... if being traded is still on the table... Nylander should already have potential contracts worked out with other teams that have shown interest in trading for him. All he’ll need to do is sign.

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devo22 · 11-30-2018, 09:40 AM

still think he'll go to Carolina for Brett Pesce. It just makes too much sense for everybody involved.

getbak · 11-30-2018, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

He's already cost Nylander close to $2.5M this season - will his hardball negotiating recoupe that over the term of this contract?

He's also about to get Nylander traded off of what appears to be a perennial Cup contender for the next decade.

That all depends on how the contract is structured. There's two things they can do to minimize the money he has lost with the hold-out.

For one, they can make this season the lowest-value on the deal. The lowest it can be is 50% of the highest-value season. For example, let's say he signs a 6 year deal that pays $36 million total. They could structure it so he gets $4 million this season, $8 million one of the seasons, and have the rest average out to $6 million... Something like: 4/5/6/6/7/8.

Right now, he has missed about 32% of the season. If he were to make $4 million this season, he will have lost about $1.28 million.

The second thing they can do is pay out most of this year's contract value as a signing bonus. As far as I know, signing bonuses aren't prorated, so he would get the full amount and only lose out on any money that isn't part of the bonus structure.

If his full payout for this season was $4 million, but it was paid with $3 million as a signing bonus, he'd only lose 32% of the remaining million.

If they structure it properly, he might only lose out on less than a half million dollars on a long-term deal.

Geeoff · 11-30-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by corporatejay

Do you know what he's been offered (honest question)?

Maybe I'd be a bad negotiator but I'd probably have signed a one-year deal before training camp

GioforPM · 11-30-2018, 10:51 AM

For this year, they could probably make up differences as a signing bonus. But if I'm the Leafs I am not inclined to pay a big signing bonus to make up for games not played. It rewards the holdout.

TheIronMaiden · 11-30-2018, 10:53 AM

What is the deadline again 5pm ET tomorrow?

GioforPM · 11-30-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

What is the deadline again 5pm ET tomorrow?

Yes.

GioforPM · 11-30-2018, 10:56 AM

Pressure has switched to Nylander now. The Leafs are doing just fine without him and don't lose any rights, so they can work on a deal or next year trade at their leisure. No way he can afford to sit out two seasons so he will be a little more compliant in a next year negotiation. I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a new agent (especially if Gross told him that the Leafs would buckle).

dino7c · 11-30-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pressure has switched to Nylander now. The Leafs are doing just fine without him and don't lose any rights, so they can work on a deal or next year trade at their leisure. No way he can afford to sit out two seasons so he will be a little more compliant in a next year negotiation. I wouldn't be surprised to see him with a new agent (especially if Gross told him that the Leafs would buckle).

"Doing fine" sure but this is the Leafs best shot at a cup...they want all hands on deck. Next season brings RFA contracts and tough decisions

puckedoff · 11-30-2018, 11:38 AM

They should try to get Haydn Fleury and a couple draft picks and call it a day

neo45 · 11-30-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by puckedoff

They should try to get Haydn Fleury and a couple draft picks and call it a day

I think their worst course of action is to trade the player for an underwhelming return.

Letting him sit for the year is a better choice. Keep the player, send a message that you won’t cave in negotiations (they have bigger ones on the horizon) then trade him or bring him back into the fold next season.

It’s Nylander here with very little leverage who is about to give up a crack at the cup and may walk away with nothing.

bax · 11-30-2018, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by puckedoff

They should try to get Haydn Fleury and a couple draft picks and call it a day

Ugh if I was a Leafs fan I would not be pleased with that.

Toonage · 11-30-2018, 12:08 PM

Reading about Ferland's concussion I checked the injuries for Carolina and saw that both Pesce & Fleury are on the IR for the Hurricanes. This would impact any trade for Nylander I'd think.

transplant99 · 11-30-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Reading about Ferland's concussion I checked the injuries for Carolina and saw that both Pesce & Fleury are on the IR for the Hurricanes. This would impact any trade for Nylander I'd think.

Pesce is expected back this weekend.

The Cobra · 11-30-2018, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

For this year, they could probably make up differences as a signing bonus. But if I'm the Leafs I am not inclined to pay a big signing bonus to make up for games not played. It rewards the holdout.

Rich teams only care about the cap hit. They'd rather give more money to Nylander (assuming the same cap hit) and keep him a happier camper.

dissentowner · 11-30-2018, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

Reading about Ferland's concussion I checked the injuries for Carolina and saw that both Pesce & Fleury are on the IR for the Hurricanes. This would impact any trade for Nylander I'd think.

Everything I have heard from this neck of the woods is the Leafs don't want Pesce, they want Slavin. They would even add a bit I think to get Slavin but if they can't get what they want for Nylander right now they will just sign him and circle back to it later.

TheAlpineOracle · 11-30-2018, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Oh wow, it's surprising how many ex-players there are on this site. When did you play for Babcock?

There are multiple instances with past players question Babcock’s methods/integrity from Commodore all the way up to Zetterberg. You should probably at least know what your are talking about before making such a dumb comment.

GioforPM · 11-30-2018, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

"Doing fine" sure but this is the Leafs best shot at a cup...they want all hands on deck. Next season brings RFA contracts and tough decisions

I don't know that he adds significantly. There's only one puck. How many games have they lost because he's not there?

Next season he's gone anyway. So they will be the same team, plus or minus role players.