[Trade] Chicago trades Nick Schmaltz to Arizona for Dylan Strome and Brendan Perlini

[868904]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it was more bad luck that the Coyotes fell back in the lottery to the point where they kind of had to pick Strome. He's just not a special player and this return shows that he's not nearly as highly regarded as he was at the draft. It's not like the Coyotes had all this forward depth keeping him down. The guy just hasn't been ver good.

They could have taken Marner or Hanifin. Everyone knew Strome's issue was skating and you had two of the best skaters on the board who also had production too. It's weird cause next year, they went with Keller who is pretty similar to Marner. Also in 2016, you had a prospect like Tkachuk who was similar to Strome with skating as the big question mark. It really is hard to tell with these things.

Maybe the game has changed too much in the past 3 years and the skating issues are bigger now. It was only 2 years ago that the big lumber Oilers and Ducks were battling it out in the second round and talked about as Stanley Cup contenders and now both are slow lumbering teams. But again, Tkachuk is still not a great skater, so I guess it comes down to the "special".

[Enoch Root]

Could go either way, but it looks to me like a bit of a panic/reaction trade from the Yotes.

5 short-handed goals against in 2 games. Yikes.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm not sure if he is guaranteed to get 50 points. He is far from it this year, and he only got it last year getting premium time with Kane and on the PP.

I agree with this. Not enough stock gets put into who a player plays with. Chicago has struggled with depth for a few years so opportunity has been given to players. This could be another namestnikov trade. NYR thought they were getting a young 60 point guy. Namestnikov got all his points on a line with stamkos and kucherov and since being traded to the rangers has 13 points in 42 games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 868904

They could have taken Marner or Hanifin. Everyone knew Strome's issue was skating and you had two of the best skaters on the board who also had production too. It's weird cause next year, they went with Keller who is pretty similar to Marner. Also in 2016, you had a prospect like Tkachuk who was similar to Strome with skating as the big question mark. It really is hard to tell with these things.

Maybe the game has changed too much in the past 3 years and the skating issues are bigger now. It was only 2 years ago that the big lumber Oilers and Ducks were battling it out in the second round and talked about as Stanley Cup contenders and now both are slow lumbering teams. But again, Tkachuk is still not a great skater, so I guess it comes down to the "special".

Maybe a change of scenery will do him good but he looks a lot like his brother and that’s not good.

[Karl]

Both Stromes look like total busts. Schmaltz and Perlini can at least skate really well, which is more than you can ever say about Ryan or Dylan Strome.

And neither Strome does anything remotely decent to even come close to compensate for the fact that they skate like molasses. The one saving grace for Dylan Strome is that Kane and/or Toews can make him look halfway decent.

Schmaltz is the best player out of this deal now (not to say this will help the Yotes much because it likely won't), but Perlini has a good chance of becoming the best player out of this when all is said and done.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Strome is a big centre winning close to 58% of his face offs this year. Don’t be surprised if he centres Patrick Kane.

At 21 years of age, he has a ton of projection left.


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I doubt it. He can't skate, and with how much of a problem that is for him, it will likely always be a major detriment for the rest of his career. And I'm not sold on the rest of his game becoming much better either on its own merit.

Playing with Kane or Toews will help him look better but those two are also showing severe signs of wear and tear.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it was more bad luck that the Coyotes fell back in the lottery to the point where they kind of had to pick Strome. He's just not a special player and this return shows that he's not nearly as highly regarded as he was at the draft. It's not like the Coyotes had all this forward depth keeping him down. The guy just hasn't been ver good.

They didn’t have to pick Strome. The consensus pick at that slot was probably Hanifin. And of course Mariner, Provorov, Werenski and Rantanen still available. Strome’s skating issues were well documented and the NHL had been getting faster. The safest pick there was Hanifin for sure.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

They didn’t have to pick Strome. The consensus pick at that slot was probably Hanifin. And of course Mariner, Provorov, Werenski and Rantanen still available. Strome’s skating issues were well documented and the NHL had been getting faster. The safest pick there was Hanifin for sure.

Strome was the 3rd ranked 2015 skater by a few scouting services as was Hanafin. The Coyotes already had OEL and needed a franchise center so really nobody was surprised when he was picked. It's just bad luck for them they dropped in the lottery and missed out on Eichel and McDavid. Interesting that both Strome and Hanafin have now been traded.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Strome was the 3rd ranked 2015 skater by a few scouting services and Hanafin was kind of all over the top 6. The Coyotes already had OEL and needed a franchise center so really nobody was surprised when he was picked. It's just bad luck for them they dropped in the lottery and missed out on Eichel and McDavid.

Nope Hanifin was 3rd according to Central Scouting, Redline, Future Considerations and Bob Mackenzie that year. He was the consensus #3 pick.

http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-cont...de-sampler.pdf
https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-s-final-...l-and-1.300634
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-central...kings/c-761663

Having multiple top pairing defencemen is a good thing not a bad thing. They could easily have take Hanifin while they had OEL.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Karl

Playing with Kane or Toews will help him look better but those two are also showing severe signs of wear and tear.

I think both have been pretty good this year.

Kane in particular is on pace for 96 points this year, including 71 ES points.

Toews on pace for 68 points, which would be his highest total in 5 years (he has only once gotten more than 69 points in his career).

We should all suffer such wear and tear.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think both have been pretty good this year.

Kane in particular is on pace for 96 points this year, including 71 ES points.

Toews on pace for 68 points, which would be his highest total in 5 years (he has only once gotten more than 69 points in his career).

We should all suffer such wear and tear.

Sure, but I don't see Strome even adding the same value to Kane or Toews that Schmaltz did, even if Schmaltz was totally propped up by them.

I think Perlini will eventually end up becoming the best player of the 3 in this trade.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Karl

Sure, but I don't see Strome even adding the same value to Kane or Toews that Schmaltz did, even if Schmaltz was totally propped up by them.

I think Perlini will eventually end up becoming the best player of the 3 in this trade.

Strome has been wasting away on the 4th line with below average line mates.

It would be interesting to see what he can do with some decent line mates before he's ridden out of the league.

Hard to imagine a 3rd overall pick is completely lacking in skills LOL.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Strome has been wasting away on the 4th line with below average line mates.

It would be interesting to see what he can do with some decent line mates before he's ridden out of the league.

Hard to imagine a 3rd overall pick is completely lacking in skills LOL.

Thing is, no forwards on that Arizona Coyotes team are any good except for Keller for sure and maybe Galchenyuk, so it's not like who Strome played with on that team other than Keller would've made any notable difference.

[thefoss1957]

With any trade that the 'Hawks make, contract status is a huge factor. Schmaltz will need to be re-signed at the end of this season, guessing 4 to 6 million per, will be the range, but,on potential,alone. Strome is signed through next season. Perlini, will need a contract, I am guessing $950k to $2M per.

Schmaltz as a #2C, is hopeless at the dot. A good back checker, but, is soft on board play. He defers to Kane or Toews too much, passing up prime shooting chances. And had been moved to LW, where he looked very uncomfortable.

With Perlini as a mid-6 guy, and Strome with better face off numbers as a potential #2C, along with the cost control for the extra year, I like the deal.

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[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I really like Schmaltz. Not sure I can pick a winner.

[spuzzum]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Arizona is the poorest managed team in the league. How can you be so bad for so long and not have a single 1st line player?

Edmonton has two franchise players or generational talents. This far exceeds the 1st line discussion or even top 6.

[jlh2640]

Man Arizona sucks at developing their own. Strome, Domi, Duclaire, Turris, Murphy

[1Nite]

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Karl

Thing is, no forwards on that Arizona Coyotes team are any good except for Keller for sure and maybe Galchenyuk, so it's not like who Strome played with on that team other than Keller would've made any notable difference.

The difference would be getting 20 minutes a night ice time vs. 12 minutes.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

Edmonton has two franchise players or generational talents. This far exceeds the 1st line discussion or even top 6.

Connor McDavid and... Kris Russel?