[PGT] Flames come back to beat the Coilers 4-2

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Because Dube and his 6 minutes of icetime can't skate up to Kassian and tell him to cool it or he will be answering to a guy in his own weight class.

It was ridiculous that there was no response from the Flames in regards to that attack....or the slewfoot by Draisitel.

I view getting the win as the response.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Because Dube and his 6 minutes of icetime can't skate up to Kassian and tell him to cool it or he will be answering to a guy in his own weight class.

It was ridiculous that there was no response from the Flames in regards to that attack....or the slewfoot by Draisitel.

There wasn't a response? Oilers twitter is in outrage mode because their guys didn't respond to what the Flames were doing.

I quite enjoy Kassian handing the Flames 4 minutes in powerplays for being stupid. Respond on the powerplay and the scoreboard where it matters.

[Toonage]

^ Absolutely, and its easier to get the win if your best players aren't
A) banged up
B) in the box

This one worked out for the Flames, thats awesome. But if you don't have to take that risk, you don't. Let Tkachuk, Bennett etc mix it up, and when the Oiler meatheads want to take it that extra mile you have Prout or Peluso step in.

Then we have a full compliment of our players on the PP. Which you want.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Red

Yes. It's a human thing. Nobody likes to be in pain ir get his face smashed up in front of 20K people.

I read a few of your posts on here, where you miss the point is that is its about winning the game, not the fight.

If you get the other team to think its about beating up the opponent, in most cases that other team loses. They get pissed off and lose complete sight of the game. This is what happened to the Oilers on Saturday. For years the Habs would beat the old Bruins because they would get the Bruins thinking about killing the Habs instead of winning the game. Even 4-5 years ago I remember Dale Wiese and Subban trolling Lucic and getting them off their game completely.

Not to say that the Flames may want a spare goon on the forth line(if they have no one better) for the next time they play, but the Oilers lost sight of the goal and got too wrapped up in the sideshow and lost the game. It even pissed off the Oilers reporters...The Flames do not need to beat up Kassian and Lucic, they need to defeat Connor McDavid.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I view getting the win as the response.

Well they didnt win because Tkachuk got attacked and slewfooted.

You want him facing that again because they came from behind and won on Saturday? Good for you.

im thankful Peters and crew wont be so passive.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

I read a few of your posts on here, where you miss the point is that is its about winning the game, not the fight.

If you get the other team to think its about beating up the opponent, in most cases that other team loses. They get pissed off and lose complete sight of the game. This is what happened to the Oilers on Saturday. For years the Habs would beat the old Bruins because they would get the Bruins thinking about killing the Habs instead of winning the game. Even 4-5 years ago I remember Dale Wiese and Subban trolling Lucic and getting them off their game completely.

Not to say that the Flames may want a spare goon on the forth line(if they have no one better) for the next time they play, but the Oilers lost sight of the goal and got too wrapped up in the sideshow and lost the game. It even pissed off the Oilers reporters...The Flames do not need to beat up Kassian and Lucic, they need to defeat Connor McDavid.

So if Tkachuk gets concussed in that altercation, but we win the game, are you happy?

Win a battle or win the war? We can't have our top scorer taking punches.
Think of the headlines if Hamonic punched McDavid the same way.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I view getting the win as the response.

How about if Kassian concussed Tkachuk and he and Gaudreau we’re both going to miss 2/3 games? But they still got the win.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Also Kassian, Lucic & Nurse will be looking to drag someone off with them and why let that be Tkachuk or Bennett when it can be Prout or Peluso.

Also why risk Tkachuk getting legit concussed when one of those meatheads goes over the line or if someone decides Gaudreau is getting run.

The only reason the Flames have Prout on the roster should be for these games. Thats it. he plays 3 times a year and thats all. Otherwise, what is the point?

Because those guys won't be on the ice - they will be on the bench. Lucic and Nurse log significant minutes. Prout and Peluso would see less than Dube did.

[Toonage]

In Edmonton for the next one. Its a real possibility that could happen.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

How about if Kassian concussed Tkachuk and he and Gaudreau we’re both going to miss 2/3 games? But they still got the win.

How does Prout stop that? He can fight him afterwards, sure. If you think Kassian wouldn't have swung at Tkachuk with Prout on the bench, you are mistaken.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How does Prout stop that? He can fight him afterwards, sure. If you think Kassian wouldn't have swung at Tkachuk with Prout on the bench, you are mistaken.

I completely agree in regards to on-going interactions, a Prout our Peluso can't be the answer to that. For me though, we have a fairly unique situation coming up in our next game. Interesting that all the outrage is coming from the North on Saturday's game, but truth be told, the only player that took any cheap shots on Saturday was Tkachuk himself.

Slew foot by Dri.........Chucky or one of our regular players needs to deal with that, or choose to leave it alone. As for our leading point getter being jump by essentially a pure goon, that requires different treatment, given it's happened now.

Peluso or Prout need to be dressed, and they need to be on the ice or jump on the ice the first time Kassian is on, and force the fight. Drag Kassian off the ice for 5mins or more, make sure his face and knuckles are a little raw so that it's know that can't happen without a price to be payed, and moving forward in that game, he'll be a little more tender so that his ability to engage anyone else in scraps is reduced.

[The Boy Wonder]

I have always been on the side of wanting to keep roughness in the game, but saturday night was a prime example of where it was in the flames best interest to not engage. It has less to do with the situation and more to do with the personnel.

Tkachuk and Bennett >>>> Kassian and Lucic.

and lucic and kassian are both so bad that it is in any opponents best interest to leave them out on the ice. You take a PP if you can get it but you don't worry about evening things up with those guys. Any shift either of those guys takes basically works out to getting a 5 on 4.5 every single shift because of how slow and bad at hockey they both are.


I do think that we need to send a message as Tkachuk and Johnny were the only ones who truly got cheapshotted in the entire game and peluso should line up next to kassian to start next game

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How does Prout stop that? He can fight him afterwards, sure. If you think Kassian wouldn't have swung at Tkachuk with Prout on the bench, you are mistaken.

A good goon would tell Kassian to sit quiet before the game starts. A detterant not a punisher. If Kassian is afraid to get the rest of his teeth kicked in he will just play out his shifts quitely and go back to being a thug next game, hopefully against our other rival.

And thats what we want. We want other teams to come to the dome hoping to just get out of here.

Did the flame players get roughed up when Big Ern was here? Will Johnny play 82 games the way he is being targeted right now?

And for what? So we can give 6 minutes to a guy that hasnt scored a goal in the NHL?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I completely agree in regards to on-going interactions, a Prout our Peluso can't be the answer to that. For me though, we have a fairly unique situation coming up in our next game. Interesting that all the outrage is coming from the North on Saturday's game, but truth be told, the only player that took any cheap shots on Saturday was Tkachuk himself.

Slew foot by Dri.........Chucky or one of our regular players needs to deal with that, or choose to leave it alone. As for our leading point getter being jump by essentially a pure goon, that requires different treatment, given it's happened now.

Peluso or Prout need to be dressed, and they need to be on the ice or jump on the ice the first time Kassian is on, and force the fight. Drag Kassian off the ice for 5mins or more, make sure his face and knuckles are a little raw so that it's know that can't happen without a price to be payed, and moving forward in that game, he'll be a little more tender so that his ability to engage anyone else in scraps is reduced.

Oh, I'm OK with dressing Peluso. Not Prout. I just can't see sitting Valimaki or Andersson and putting a guy like Prout on where Edmonton has last change. Peluso can be sheltered more, plus he's not totally without skill. And Peluso is a much more accomplished fighter, and quite a bit bigger than Prout.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Oh, I'm OK with dressing Peluso. Not Prout. I just can't see sitting Valimaki or Andersson and putting a guy like Prout on where Edmonton has last change. Peluso can be sheltered more, plus he's not totally without skill. And Peluso is a much more accomplished fighter, and quite a bit bigger than Prout.

Agreed. I will say, I do have a bit of an issue with the fact that we need to “call up” our fighter for this. Which really is why we could use some more actual team toughness. I’m not suggesting Peluso should have a permenant spot on the roster, but kind of tough to basically ask a guy to be a hired defender for team mates he doesn’t actually spend time or travel with. Wish we had the playing toughness in the roster, but don’t want us to waste a spot on a pure goon.

I miss Engelland.

[Wastedyouth]

Having a goon in the lineup has never, ever, stopped a good player from being hurt.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Having a goon in the lineup has never, ever, stopped a good player from being hurt.

There is absolutely no way you can make that claim and substantiate it.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Having a goon in the lineup has never, ever, stopped a good player from being hurt.

I’m actually inclined to agree with you, although that’s impossible to measure as there is no way to track or know about incidents that never happened that would have if....

I was more referring to post incident, it be nice to have the toughness in the roster to deal with it rather than to have to have it be called up.

[Dan403]

The real deterrent is to quietly tell them that if you injure one of our star players, I will injure one of your two star players. Nothing blasted in the media, just a quiet word in the pregame skate.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Dan403

The real deterrent is to quietly tell them that if you injure one of our star players, I will injure one of your two star players. Nothing blasted in the media, just a quiet word in the pregame skate.

I was actually thinking about this the other night with all the rhetoric coming from the Oilers nation about the response if Tkachuk isn't going to fight Kassian needs to be targeting Gaudreau.

While true the Flames don't have the playing toughness to match up to the Oilers right now, if they wanted to go down the we'll go after your best guy strategy, that's one they will lose quickly with the Flames. We are a much deeper team, take out one of our best, we still have at least 4 other top 6 forwards in our line up. Take out McD, the Oilers are left with a couple of arguably Top 6 forwards left in their line up, one of which has yet to prove he can do anything when not riding shot gun with McD.