11-16-2018, 04:51 PM
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First Line Centre
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People just looking for something to complain about. Ryan's production isn't there yet but he's still been quite good and isn't being overused at all.
Currently, Ryan ranks (among Flames forwards):
5th in CF% (55.90%)
5th in FF% (56.96%)
6th in SF% (53.94%)
6th in SCF% (53.96%)
2nd in HDCF% (53.45%)
3rd last in oiSH% (5.62%)
He's not particularly strong in any of these categories in terms of per 60 rates but he doesn't give up anything either.
This is a player who's playing solid 5v5 hockey but just isn't getting the bounces.
There's some problems with this team but Ryan hasn't been one and it's just people with clear biases against the player that are complaining with zero evidence to back them up.
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11-16-2018, 05:40 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
There's some problems with this team but Ryan hasn't been one and it's just people with clear biases against the player that are complaining with zero evidence to back them up.
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How many people have a bias against Derek Ryan? Based on what?
One goal and two assists in 18 games isn't zero evidence. Peters even scratched him for a game.
Some of the criticism has been over the top but I don't think you can totally ignore his production either. Does it always have to be one extreme or the other?
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11-16-2018, 06:34 PM
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#63
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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Value for this guy in certain areas only. But I agree, he is not good from what I have seen. He will not be a threat to score ever
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11-17-2018, 01:29 AM
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#64
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Calgary via Palm Desert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jlh2640
Value for this guy in certain areas only. But I agree, he is not good from what I have seen. He will not be a threat to score ever
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Nothing but a 31 year old career minor leaguer/Canadian University player who got a couple lucky breaks and managed to get a seriously overpaid NHL contract. In the old NHL before all the southern US expansion Ryan never sniffs an NHL job
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11-17-2018, 11:05 AM
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#65
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Franchise Player
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More concerned about Neal and Smith . This guy at least wins draws.
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11-17-2018, 03:03 PM
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#66
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First Line Centre
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The problem I have with Ryan is we are going to need cap space this offseason.
The players, when taking their contracts into consideration, I think make the most sense to move are Ryan, Stone and Frolik.
We just signed Ryan and he's already on that list.
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11-17-2018, 03:25 PM
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#67
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL
People just looking for something to complain about. Ryan's production isn't there yet but he's still been quite good and isn't being overused at all.
Currently, Ryan ranks (among Flames forwards):
5th in CF% (55.90%)
5th in FF% (56.96%)
6th in SF% (53.94%)
6th in SCF% (53.96%)
2nd in HDCF% (53.45%)
3rd last in oiSH% (5.62%)
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11th in points
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11-17-2018, 05:30 PM
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#68
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Stay Golden
Derek the pylon Ryan used as the extra man made me sick.
I couldn't believe my eyes even when Peter's put him out there with with just under 3 min left.
Ryan is a 4th line below average player nothing more Peter's!
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Maybe you should see what you can do to slander Treliving again, or even shake Tree’s hand again while putting some STANK on your pupil while you make eye contact with him... if only to see if that satiates your delusional tendencies.
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11-17-2018, 09:34 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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In a physical game Ryan's effectiveness is really limited.
He's been utterly useless in tonight's game vs the Oilers.
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11-17-2018, 09:48 PM
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#70
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Haha ^
Let me try:
Backlund has not scored against Edmonton yet.
Fingers crossed
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11-17-2018, 09:49 PM
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#71
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Franchise Player
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CP delivers again...
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11-17-2018, 09:53 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
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Lol
Of course he scores right after I post that!
Fml
I'd still trade him first chance I get though
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11-17-2018, 09:55 PM
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#73
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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That was a narly backhand.
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11-17-2018, 09:55 PM
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#74
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by killer_carlson
Lol
Of course he scores right after I post that!
Fml
I'd still trade him first chance I get though
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If by him, you mean Bennett, I fully agree.
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11-18-2018, 02:07 PM
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#75
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
If by him, you mean Bennett, I fully agree.
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You still want Bennett traded? Seriously?
But back on topic ...
After another high possession night Derek Ryan is now 2nd in all three defensive categories per 60 minutes for the team.
Just back of Frolik for shot attempts
Just back of Hamonic for scoring chances against
Just back of Hamonic for high danger chances against
Don't think he's going to score his way into good contract status, but at least nothing bad happens when he's on the ice
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11-18-2018, 02:58 PM
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#76
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In the Sin Bin
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Not a fan of Ryan on the powerplay, but it certainly worked last night.
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11-18-2018, 03:22 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
You still want Bennett traded? Seriously?
But back on topic ...
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I should have used green text.
I don't know why either player would be traded.
The Flames need exactly what Ryan is bringing. A decent RH centerman.
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11-18-2018, 03:30 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Ryan might be a little overpaid, but not that much. He's a super useful bottom six guy. Doesn't hurt you defensively, can move up the lineup if injuries happen, can play PK and PP, and is pretty consistent. Plus he's excellent at faceoffs.
Each of those qualities costs money. There will be plenty of nights when we'll be really glad to have him, and it's easy to see how a guy like that becomes a coaches pet.
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11-19-2018, 11:45 AM
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#79
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Franchise Player
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1064182566482206721
Even if you don't like fancy stats, you can't argue against how well the third line played against the Oilers. Literally skating circles around them in the third with a one goal lead...
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11-19-2018, 11:52 AM
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#80
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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I keep reading this thread title as “Derek Ryan’s overdose” and I get worried for a second.
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