HNIC: Nylander officially on the trade block

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Lean? Really? For Bennet and Jankowski? Versus Nylander? I mean, come on

Not come on. Yes I would rather have a player of Nylander's talent and production level than Bennett and Jankowski.

Nylander has played 185 games has 135 points and 48 goals, as a 22 year old.

Bennett and Jankowski combined have 122 points over a combined 347 games.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Not come on. Yes I would rather have a player of Nylander's talent and production level than Bennett and Jankowski.

Nylander has played 185 games has 135 points and 48 goals, as a 22 year old.

Bennett and Jankowski combined have 122 points over a combined 347 games.

I think what he meant is that you should not just "lean" towards Nylander for something centered around Bennett and Jankowski, you should put them on a priority jet to Toronto before Dubas finds his brain medicine.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

People are hilariously underrating Nylander everywhere. To quote Ian Tulloch,

Originally Posted by Tulloch

There aren’t too many forwards who can lead their team in controlled zone exits, finish above the 95th percentile of controlled zone entries, score over 2.0 points per 60 at 5v5 and over 5.0 points per 60 at 5v4. In fact, there are six:

• Mathew Barzal
• Taylor Hall
• Patrick Kane
• Nikita Kucherov
• Evgeni Malkin
• William Nylander

When a team drafts a player of this calibre, they typically aren’t looking to trade him. There’s one obvious example in recent memory, and we all know how it turned out.

Spoiler!

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People are hilariously underrating Nylander everywhere. To quote Ian Tulloch,

Spoiler!

Interestingly all Eastern Conference players. How much of that is because so much of the East defence is not as aggressive (moreso the Leafs division)? Would his game translate in the West as much? Personally I don't think so.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Kane isn't in the east. Ehlers is pretty close to making that list too. I suspect that if you were to make the list for this season rather than last it would include MacKinnon as well. It's just a particular style of player.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Not come on. Yes I would rather have a player of Nylander's talent and production level than Bennett and Jankowski.

Nylander has played 185 games has 135 points and 48 goals, as a 22 year old.

Bennett and Jankowski combined have 122 points over a combined 347 games.

Ya, my point is that ‘lean’ seems a little bit of a light verb. Seems like you only would lightly prefer Nylander over those two. I would personally be Dubas personal slave for a year if it meant trading Bennet and Jankowski for Nylander.

[bax]

I know the Flames don’t really have a need for Nylander per se, but if you’re in the camp that believes he is a dynamic talent then you have to at least enter the conversation.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bax

I know the Flames don’t really have a need for Nylander per se, but if you’re in the camp that believes he is a dynamic talent then you have to at least enter the conversation.

A Maserati is a pretty dynamic car. Doesn't mean I'll ‘enter the conversation’ by trying to haggle with the dealership.

When you trade for players under contract, you give up team assets. When you sign UFAs, you give up money. RFAs are the worst of both worlds – they cost assets AND money.

Normally there would be a tradeoff, but in this case it sounds like Nylander wants every dollar he would get as a UFA – which makes it a bad deal to trade significant assets for him. And I suspect the Leafs still have his rights because they are demanding full value on the trade – which is not worth giving when he hasn't agreed to a contract.

The Leafs want to screw Nylander. Nylander wants to screw the Leafs. The only way they can both be happy is if some other dumb GM steps in and lets them both screw him instead. Let Chia do it!

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by bax

I know the Flames don’t really have a need for Nylander per se, but if you’re in the camp that believes he is a dynamic talent then you have to at least enter the conversation.

Why though? the conversation would have to start with at least Valimaki or Tkachuk and I'm not willing to discuss that.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am sure that Calgary is looking into Nylander, as Treliving is just the type of GM that is always proactive, rather than a guy like Feaster who waits for teams to call him.


I wonder if Calgary is going to put in an offer, and what Nylander really wants. I am sure that if Nylander is absolutely firm on his price, then it will simply be a no-go as the Flames SEEM to be intent on keeping their salary structure as-is.



There are few players on Calgary's roster I wouldn't trade to acquire Nylander, and I would include a 1st round pick in any trade scenario as the defence core is young, and you still have a relatively young core for years to come. The biggest issue is how much defence can the Flames afford to give up, and how does Nylander it into the team financially?



Having Tkachuk playing with Nylander (with Nylander either being a C or a RW) would go a very long way in creating 2 deadly lines that other teams would have trouble matching-up against.


I really liked Nylander at the draft and even stated that if Calgary chose him with their pick, it wouldn't be a bad pick at all. I like him a lot more than his brother who I don't think will ever be a guy that can carry a line.



I would be willing to include a 1st, Andersson, any forward not named Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Backlund... and maybe add any prospect (except Parsons - Calgary needs that bullet in their chamber) in the AHL or playing in different leagues that Calgary owns the rights to, but only if he fit-in financially on the Flames. 4 solid pieces.


Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk, Nylander, Backlund - these 6 guys you protect in the expansion draft in a year or two.


It will be curious to see any of the leaked offers and what he ends up getting traded for, and what he ends up signing for on his new team.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

There are few players on Calgary's roster I wouldn't trade to acquire Nylander, and I would include a 1st round pick in any trade scenario as the defence core is young,

Would you trade Valimaki and a 1st?

I wouldn't but I value a young stud D over one trick pony forwards.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would be willing to include a 1st, Andersson, any forward not named Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Tkachuk and Backlund... and maybe add any prospect (except Parsons - Calgary needs that bullet in their chamber) in the AHL or playing in different leagues that Calgary owns the rights to, but only if he fit-in financially on the Flames. 4 solid pieces.

That gets the phone to go ‘click’ in your ear. The Maple Leafs aren't looking for quantity. They already have quantity out the wazoo. A number of reports indicate that they are looking for a ready-made top-pairing defenceman. The Flames haven't got anyone that fits that bill. Giordano is too old, Hanifin too unproven, Brodie too questionable defensively. Välimäki might be that player five years from now, but the Leafs want someone for their top pairing today.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Would you trade Valimaki and a 1st?

I wouldn't but I value a young stud D over one trick pony forwards.

I wouldn't either. I value a young stud D on his ELC far more than a forward who's holding out for UFA money as an RFA.

[savemedrzaius]

I just can't believe a bridge deal hasn't been signed. Typically if you are so far apart on a long-term deal a bridge deal can be worked out. The only think I can think of is Nylanders agent wants 6 million a year or something for a bridge deal and Dubas isn't having that.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I just can't believe a bridge deal hasn't been signed. Typically if you are so far apart on a long-term deal a bridge deal can be worked out. The only think I can think of is Nylanders agent wants 6 million a year or something for a bridge deal and Dubas isn't having that.

I believe Nylander is looking around that team and realizing if he doesn't get paid now he'll never get paid as there won't be any money left, I think he's forcing Dubas to trade him and he'd probably sign a decent bridge deal with an other team that wouldn't be in cap hell in a couple of years.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I believe Nylander is looking around that team and realizing if he doesn't get paid now he'll never get paid as there won't be any money left, I think he's forcing Dubas to trade him and he'd probably sign a decent bridge deal with an other team that wouldn't be in cap hell in a couple of years.

That’s allot of work to get a simple bridge contract.

[devo22]

A bridge deal simply makes no sense for Nylander. He's 22 with two 20/60 seasons under his belt, so this isn't a "show me" situation. Plus he knows he'd be the first on the chopping block when they need money to somehow sign Matthews and Marner.

Leafs should trade him for a defenseman. As has been mentioned, Carolina would be a logical trade partner. Someone like Brett Pesce (who's on a decent long-term deal) would make a ton of sense for the Leafs.

[Poe969]

I"m guessing this is a lot like the Hamilton situation in Boston in that he just doesn't want to be there....minus any personality conflicts. Nylander is good, really good but I just can't see him in the leaf's future and I'm sure he knows that. I would just ask to be dealt outright, he just wants to pick where he's going and I'm willing to bet his contract isn't as outrageous as some are speculating it to be. He'll go to a team he wants to go to and fits in long term and sign a reasonable contract that will have leaf fans saying "we could have given him that!"

I'd love for him to come to the Flames and sign something silly like 5x5

something like Nylander, Sparks and something else for a package of Bennett and/or Janko and Brodie or something like that.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I"m guessing this is a lot like the Hamilton situation in Boston in that he just doesn't want to be there....minus any personality conflicts. Nylander is good, really good but I just can't see him in the leaf's future and I'm sure he knows that. I would just ask to be dealt outright, he just wants to pick where he's going and I'm willing to bet his contract isn't as outrageous as some are speculating it to be. He'll go to a team he wants to go to and fits in long term and sign a reasonable contract that will have leaf fans saying "we could have given him that!"

I'd love for him to come to the Flames and sign something silly like 5x5

something like Nylander, Sparks and something else for a package of Bennett and/or Janko and Brodie or something like that.

Without Nylander the Leafs aren't that deep on wing. They need him for PP2. He isn't going anywhere unless it's a deal with a player of his comparable coming back.

Think Drouin Sergachev. Nylander has shown a heck of a lot more than Drouin and look what he got. Leafs need a defenseman of that caliber/age coming back.

And for the second part...Nylander is an RFA. He doesn't get to pick where he is going. What is this? If he is pulling anything like that if I'm Dubas I don't care. I'm making him sit for the year.

[Poe969]

Lol the leafs wont get a player close to Nylander in the deal, think Turris when he held out and was traded for runblad and a second lol. The leafs dre against the wall on this.

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Lol the leafs wont get a player close to Nylander in the deal, think Turris when he held out and was traded for runblad and a second lol. The leafs dre against the wall on this.

LOL you mean when Turris was traded from the Coyotes to the Sens? Yes his two seasons before going to RFA he had a grand total of 45 points.

Nylander has 122 points.

But you think the Leafs should be expecting something similar to Turris.

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