HNIC: Nylander officially on the trade block

[blender]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

And now we're 18th.

Which is why it is important not to get too hung up on any type of statistics this early in the season. A couple of low scoring games can drop you way down the list.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

You're right. Definitely a real ripple effect within the team in terms of future signability issues. If Treliving sees it as either Nylander or Tkachuk then you gotta go Tkachuk but if it's a matter of Nylander or Bennett and Jankowski I would have to lean towards Nylander. I just feel like the opportunity to acquire a young controllable player like Nylander doesn't come along often.

Lean? Really? For Bennet and Jankowski? Versus Nylander? I mean, come on

[David Struch]

Well it certainly is enticing, the prospect of adding another game breaker to the core.

When Babcock came to Toronto he prophesied stars from Ontario would come home when the Leafs had built a safe environment.

Let's say the Flames trade Bennett (Holland Landing ON) Brodie (Chatham ON) + 2019 1st for Nylander. Perhaps Sam & TJ give the Leafs home town discounts when they re-sign in Toronto.

And, looking ahead to the signings next season...

2019-20 Calgary Flames:

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Lindholm 4,85
Tkachuk 6,75 Nylander 6,5 Neal 5,75
Frolík 4,3 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Dubé ,778 Ryan 3,125 Jankowski 1,675
Mangiapane ,715 Foo ,900

Giordano 6,75 Andersson ,755
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Stone 3,5
Kylington ,730

Rittich 1,0

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $79,000,000
Buyouts 1,500,000
Bonuses $747,500
Cap Space $3,000,000

Regardless of the exact contract numbers for Nylander & Tkachuk, there is still plenty of cap space options to be made.

Calgary can still acquire a top goalie with the Frolík & Stone contracts coming off the books, that's nearly another 8 million right there.

[Bleeding Red]

David Sturch - Tkachuk 6,75 Nylander 6,5 Neal 5,75

If Nylander was willing to sign (with anyone) for $6.5 long term that deal would have been done by now.



Though the rumor mill changes a bit each time, the consensus number is between $8 - $9 long term. The last Laff offer was rumored at $7.

You want to trade for Nylander, remember -to sign him he becomes the highest paid Flames player EVER.

(I also think convincing Tkuchuk to stick to the Gudreau cap will be very hard.)

[bluejays]

I found it pretty interesting that Carolina "leaked" their all-in interest in Nylander as soon as the possibility came up. I'm sure it was to ward off others proactively by saying that they have the most attractive packages for the Leafs. You know there's always a sneaky team out there who will fly under the radar. I don't think any team overpays the Leafs for him simply because nobody wants that scrutiny while dealing with the Leafs, but I do think a team comes from nowhere and snatches him.

I'm going to completely go off the charts and say Nylander and 2nd round pick to SJ for Vlasic and a cap hit throw in.

[Rando]

I don't know where I've been. Google just informed me who William Nylander's father is.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by New Era

The tic-tac-toe line? I don't call any line for the Flames being called that. I recall the Patterson-Wilson-Kromm line being called the "dice line" while they were together, but never heard of them referred to as the tic-tac-toe line.

You are correct, they were called the "dice line".

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Well it certainly is enticing, the prospect of adding another game breaker to the core.

When Babcock came to Toronto he prophesied stars from Ontario would come home when the Leafs had built a safe environment.

Let's say the Flames trade Bennett (Holland Landing ON) Brodie (Chatham ON) + 2019 1st for Nylander. Perhaps Sam & TJ give the Leafs home town discounts when they re-sign in Toronto.

And, looking ahead to the signings next season...

2019-20 Calgary Flames:

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Lindholm 4,85
Tkachuk 6,75 Nylander 6,5 Neal 5,75
Frolík 4,3 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Dubé ,778 Ryan 3,125 Jankowski 1,675
Mangiapane ,715 Foo ,900

Giordano 6,75 Andersson ,755
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Stone 3,5
Kylington ,730

Rittich 1,0

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $79,000,000
Buyouts 1,500,000
Bonuses $747,500
Cap Space $3,000,000

Regardless of the exact contract numbers for Nylander & Tkachuk, there is still plenty of cap space options to be made.

Calgary can still acquire a top goalie with the Frolík & Stone contracts coming off the books, that's nearly another 8 million right there.

The problem with all that (aside from the super high price in assets) is signing him this year, which still needs to happen when he's traded. Plus of course losing a top 4 Dman for a centre/winger who's not played a lot of centre.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The problem with all that (aside from the super high price in assets) is signing him this year, which still needs to happen when he's traded. Plus of course losing a top 4 Dman for a centre/winger who's not played a lot of centre.

Luckily, contracts are Treliving's strength.

Room does need to be made for Andersson and or Välimäki.

Nylander did very well on the Leafs last year taking faceoffs, Toronto had better depth at centre than Calgary.

Lots of interchangeable parts to the roster, Nylander can easily switch up with Lindholm in the line-up.

BTW: 8 game winners for Nylander last year, a very "lucky" player.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Luckily, contracts are Treliving's strength.

Room does need to be made for Andersson and or Välimäki.

Nylander did very well on the Leafs last year taking faceoffs, Toronto had better depth at centre than Calgary.

Lots of interchangeable parts to the roster, Nylander can easily switch up with Lindholm in the line-up.

BTW: 8 game winners for Nylander last year, a very "lucky" player.

The Flames have $2M in Cap space now. Bennett makes 2, Stone makes 4.6. Nylander wants 8, and if you trade for him he's got all the bargaining power. But let's pretend you give him 7 (and pay him more than anyone else on this team). Maybe you can fit him under the cap as long as you don't have to eat salary trading Smith, or trade for a goalie making more.


Next year you lose Smith's $4.25. But Rittich will hopefully be due a raise, and Tkachuk will want a lot. Plus you need another goalie.

[David Struch]

Here are this season's numbers...

2018-19 Calgary Flames:

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Lindholm 4,85
Tkachuk ,925 Nylander 7,0 Neal 5,75
Frolík 4,3 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Dubé ,778 Ryan 3,125 Jankowski 1,675
Hathaway ,850

Giordano 6,75 Andersson ,755
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Stone 3,5
Prout ,800

Smith 4,25
Rittich ,800

Salary Cap $79,500,000
Cap Hit $77,631,108
Buyouts $2,404,167
Bonuses $1,540,000
Cap Space $1,560,358

[Boreal]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1062048044064129026

[Bleeding Red]

Contracts may be Tre's strength, but I have to believe that if there was a deal to be had at anything less than $8 mil per season it would have happened by now.

Better to keep the assets and use $6 of that $8 on a goalie upgrade.

(After they let go of Sigalet, of course

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Here are this season's numbers...

2018-19 Calgary Flames:

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Lindholm 4,85
Tkachuk ,925 Nylander 7,0 Neal 5,75
Frolík 4,3 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Dubé ,778 Ryan 3,125 Jankowski 1,675
Hathaway ,850

Giordano 6,75 Andersson ,755
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Stone 3,5
Prout ,800

Smith 4,25
Rittich ,800

Salary Cap $79,500,000
Cap Hit $77,631,108
Buyouts $2,404,167
Bonuses $1,540,000
Cap Space $1,560,358

And if you try to improve in goal (and also have to eat some Smith salary)? Or if you have to give Nylander 8?

What's the cap next year with Tkachuk in line for a raise, with Rittich in line for a raise and signing a good goalie (assuming you keep Smith this year)?

Other considerations - that D is far inferior to what we have now. And I don't especially want a guy who holds out (especially with his agent). I also don't know that Nylander can play centre (faceoffs are only one aspect). He played wing 80-90% of last year, with either Matthews, Kadri, Bozek and Moore. More importantly, about 77% of his even strength production was on the wing.

[rohara66]

Is Nylander even that good?



Maybe I just DGAF about any Leaf players because of the Toronto media hype but is he actually $7/$8/$9 million good?

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Better to keep the assets and use $6 of that $8 on a goalie upgrade.

We can have our cake and eat it too.

Frolík & Stone can be replaced internally, although they both still hold value, Calgary may not even have to accept salary back for them. Worst case scenario Frolík & Stone can be traded for two-way contracts (AHL'ers)

2019-20 Calgary Flames:

Gaudreau 6,75 Monahan 6,375 Lindholm 4,85
Tkachuk 6,75 Nylander 7,0 Neal 5,75
Dubé ,778 Backlund 5,35 Czarnik 1,25
Mangiapane ,715 Ryan 3,125 Jankowski 1,675
Foo ,900

Giordano 6,75 Andersson ,755
Hanifin 4,95 Hamonic 3,857
Välimäki ,894 Kylington ,730
Valiev ,700

New Goalie 6,0
Rittich 1,0

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $78,406,308
Buyouts 1,500,000
Bonuses $747,500
Cap Space $3,593,692

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Would love to add but the money doesn't work. No way in hell you can keep him and Tkachuk without moving Gaudreau or Giordano. Then that still doesn't leave much for a goalie

U literally move every player on the team before moving Gaudreau.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Is Nylander even that good?



Maybe I just DGAF about any Leaf players because of the Toronto media hype but is he actually $7/$8/$9 million good?

IMO, he's on par with Draisatl money wise. But neither are worth 8m a year. More like 6-6.5 ish.

Nyalnder's a completely different player though. If he came to the flames, based only on pure skill would probably be overshadowed by Johnny only.

And probably becomes the best shooter on the team, maybe tied with Monahan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Would love to add but the money doesn't work. No way in hell you can keep him and Tkachuk without moving Gaudreau or Giordano. Then that still doesn't leave much for a goalie

Can you imagine moving Gio to Toronto? He'd win a Norris. He's exactly what they need, he would be in his hometown, he'd rack up even more points, and he'd get the hype he's always deserved.

Toronto would have to add to get Gio. At least for me they would.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Is Nylander even that good?



Maybe I just DGAF about any Leaf players because of the Toronto media hype but is he actually $7/$8/$9 million good?

I don't get it either. Paying players strictly on potential is dangerous (ie see Oilers)

I don't see how he is a "game breaker" or a 7+ million dollar player. He's a 20G 60P player thus far.

Of course he's young, but I don't get the logic of entitlement with his production thus far, must just want to be a Flame really bad.