11-09-2018, 02:32 PM
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#1
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Player Analytics
I know this isn't for everybody, but a simple graphic showing top five for each category.
First shade of grey is shot attempts
Second shade of grey is scoring chances
Third shade is high danger chances
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11-09-2018, 02:35 PM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Some quick thoughts ...
Hamonic due to injury and Czarnik due to sitting aren't the most legit in presence.
Hamonic tied with Monahan and Gaudreau for high danger chances for
Bennett on all the high danger metrics is a big plus
Dube not finishing but on the ice to create
Same for James Neal
Another year for 3M with lots of play, but no finish?
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11-09-2018, 02:37 PM
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#3
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Middle bottom should be versus, not for?
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11-09-2018, 02:45 PM
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#4
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First Line Centre
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Can you show who is the worstest for high danger chances against? (Not that CP needs a new whipping boy... ) but I want to guess its Hanifin?
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11-09-2018, 02:46 PM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Middle bottom should be versus, not for?
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Right you are ... will fix
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11-09-2018, 02:51 PM
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#6
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckedoff
Can you show who is the worstest for high danger chances against? (Not that CP needs a new whipping boy... ) but I want to guess its Hanifin?
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I'll work on it ...
But the current top worst offenders in terms of high danger chances against are
1. Michael Stone 18.1 somewhat unfair as he's missed all the "improved" games
2. Gaudreau 15.7
3. Monahan 15.2
4. Hathaway 15.1
5. Tkachuk 14.7
6. Hanifin 14.5
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11-09-2018, 03:17 PM
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#7
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Some quick thoughts ...
Hamonic due to injury and Czarnik due to sitting aren't the most legit in presence.
Hamonic tied with Monahan and Gaudreau for high danger chances for
Bennett on all the high danger metrics is a big plus
Dube not finishing but on the ice to create
Same for James Neal
Another year for 3M with lots of play, but no finish?
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Tkachuk and frolik seem to be finishing no problem, just backs who Is snakebitten
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11-09-2018, 06:32 PM
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#8
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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I'm pretty convinced high danger chances is a useless stat at 5v5. Usually it's guys just shoveling pucks into a goalie's pad because they're so in-tight that there's no other option.
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11-09-2018, 07:20 PM
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#9
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I'm pretty convinced high danger chances is a useless stat at 5v5. Usually it's guys just shoveling pucks into a goalie's pad because they're so in-tight that there's no other option.
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Not really the case from what I understand. A high danger chance has to be within home plate but also result from a pass or tip.
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11-09-2018, 09:15 PM
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#10
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Franchise Player
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So basically Gaudreau should be on the third line since there are much more dangerous and responsible options out there?
How do the points per 60 compare to these shot metrics?
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11-10-2018, 07:40 AM
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#11
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Helsinki, Finland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
Tkachuk and frolik seem to be finishing no problem, just backs who Is snakebitten
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Backs is on pace for 50 points and 15 goals. Considering the sample size and general quality play of his line, I wouldn't be worried. One goal here or there changes projections a lot this early.
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11-10-2018, 09:05 AM
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#12
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by edslunch
So basically Gaudreau should be on the third line since there are much more dangerous and responsible options out there?
How do the points per 60 compare to these shot metrics?
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Code:
Rk Player Age Pos GP G A PTS Pts/60
1 Matthew Tkachuk 21 LW 16 7 12 19 3.90
2 Johnny Gaudreau 25 LW 16 6 13 19 3.44
3 Sean Monahan 24 C 16 8 10 18 3.32
4 Elias Lindholm 24 C 16 9 9 18 3.22
5 Mark Giordano 35 D 16 2 14 16 2.41
6 Michael Frolik 30 RW 15 7 0 7 2.31
7 Mikael Backlund 29 C 16 3 7 10 2.03
8 Austin Czarnik 26 C 9 1 2 3 1.59
9 Michael Stone 28 D 10 0 4 4 1.49
10 Mark Jankowski 24 C 13 1 2 3 1.45
11 Garnet Hathaway 27 RW 11 2 0 2 1.21
12 Sam Bennett 22 C 16 2 2 4 1.18
13 James Neal 31 LW 16 3 1 4 0.93
14 Derek Ryan 32 C 15 1 2 3 0.93
15 Dillon Dube 20 C 14 0 2 2 0.83
16 Travis Hamonic 28 D 8 1 1 2 0.77
17 Noah Hanifin 22 D 16 0 4 4 0.74
18 T.J. Brodie 28 D 16 0 4 4 0.70
19 Juuso Valimaki 20 D 15 1 1 2 0.54
20 Rasmus Andersson 22 D 14 0 1 1 0.28
21 Anthony Peluso 29 RW 3 0 0 0 0.00
22 Dalton Prout 28 D 1 0 0 0 0.00
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11-10-2018, 09:06 AM
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#13
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itse
Backs is on pace for 50 points and 15 goals. Considering the sample size and general quality play of his line, I wouldn't be worried. One goal here or there changes projections a lot this early.
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Totally agree, not worried about Backlund.
I do worry why that line overall though isn't getting it done five on five. Tkachuk has scored on the PP, with the goalie pulled, but how many with the 3M line?
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11-10-2018, 09:45 AM
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#14
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Code:
RkPlayerAgePosGPGAPTSPts/60
1Matthew Tkachuk21LW16712193.90
2Johnny Gaudreau25LW16613193.44
3Sean Monahan24C16810183.32
4Elias Lindholm24C1699183.22
5Mark Giordano35D16214162.41
6Michael Frolik30RW157072.31
7Mikael Backlund29C1637102.03
8Austin Czarnik26C91231.59
9Michael Stone28D100441.49
10Mark Jankowski24C131231.45
11Garnet Hathaway27RW112021.21
12Sam Bennett22C162241.18
13James Neal31LW163140.93
14Derek Ryan32C151230.93
15Dillon Dube20C140220.83
16Travis Hamonic28D81120.77
17Noah Hanifin22D160440.74
18T.J. Brodie28D160440.70
19Juuso Valimaki20D151120.54
20Rasmus Andersson22D140110.28
21Anthony Peluso29RW30000.00
22Dalton Prout28D10000.00
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Thanks, but what I was getting at was it would be interesting to see scoring stats alongside the shot-based stats. Looking at these tables one wonders why Czarnik isn’t playing much, but they don’t show that the team gave up twice as many goals with him on the ice than they scored (all of these stats with limited sample size of course).
Neither scoring or shot based stats tell the whole story, why not include both in the analysis? The difference between them is interesting to dig into.
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11-11-2018, 01:13 PM
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#15
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Updated and added the bad offenders table as well
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11-11-2018, 01:21 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Whole lot of Derek Ryan on the bad side.
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11-11-2018, 01:32 PM
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#17
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Another year for 3M with lots of play, but no finish?
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I think that's mostly due to Backlund not finishing a lot of high quality scoring chances. If Tkachuk was making the same passes to Monahan we are talking about a 50 assist player easily. That's the frustration with Backlund. Very good in a defensive role but just a little lacking in offensive prowess you would hope for in a 2nd line role. I know someone will trot out stats to show he's decent scoring for centres but average isn't good enough if the goal is to become a cup contender. The teams that win the cup usually have more prolific 2nd line centres as Backs has only eclipsed 50 points once in his career.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 11-11-2018 at 01:35 PM.
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12-02-2018, 12:05 PM
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#18
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Update: 12/2
- Hamonic and Bennett continue to battle for comeback player of the year
- Hanifin makes top 5 in CF
- Ryan now Mr. Prevent
- Bennett opening up his lead in high danger differerentials
- Czarnik is top five in regular scoring chances, but bottom five in high danger chances which is interesting for a player that gets scratched often.
- one of the most interesting things to me is Lindholm making the differentials list. That line had a tough start, and now the defensive conscious is getting his numbers back
-Kylington doesn't have the minutes to shop up yet, but is 47% CF%, 59% SCF%, and 62% HDCF% through three games.
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12-03-2018, 01:48 PM
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#19
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Calgary
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Figured this is as good a thread as any, but I came across this really neat analysis by Sean Tierney today and thought I'd share.
Gives a visual of just how good Rittich has been this year in comparison to other goalies. Danger of sample size, of course, but very fascinating.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/s...17-18/GSAArate
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12-03-2018, 02:11 PM
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First Line Centre
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How do the Flames as a team compare to other teams? Based on the eye test they seem to dominate most games and most of the losses have been a result of key breakdowns (defensive coverage, goaltending, special teams).
I don't recall a game this season (besides the Pittsburgh game which never happened as far as I'm concerned) where the Flames were dominated.
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