Who should Treliving target as a potential replacement for Mike Smith?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Iggy3x

I like this idea. Time that we get paid for helping the Wings win their cup with Vernon. Who is the current Steve Chaisson? Brodie?

What the what?

Howard is not worth Brodie.

[Bingo]

If they make a move it will be a Howard type stop gap. I think Andersson from Ottawa is another one.

Has to be an out of playoff picture team and they have to take Smith back.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they make a move it will be a Howard type stop gap. I think Andersson from Ottawa is another one.

Has to be an out of playoff picture team and they have to take Smith back.

You are probably right given salaries but either move would cost the Flames something. More than a 3rd round pick I'm guessing.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they make a move it will be a Howard type stop gap. I think Andersson from Ottawa is another one.

Has to be an out of playoff picture team and they have to take Smith back.

Not to mention Ottawa will be thirsty for picks since they don't have their first.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You are probably right given salaries but either move would cost the Flames something. More than a 3rd round pick I'm guessing.

yeah or a Klimchuk type asset

[Toonage]

A move for Howard also saves Detroit some money. Its Howard's last year too but that still has to be worth something to them.

[The Boy Wonder]

Should be able to get howard for smith plus klimchuk or a second or something.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they make a move it will be a Howard type stop gap. I think Andersson from Ottawa is another one.

Has to be an out of playoff picture team and they have to take Smith back.

And then sign Talbot in the off-season.
He would be my #1 target.

[Matty81]

I think they should try to hang tough for another month or so... if Smith continues struggling shift to Rittich a little more and eventually trade for an upgrade.

I think Corey Crawford makes a lot of sense... Chicago wasn't losing because of coach Q, they need to re-build. When they fall out of it I could see them moving him, only one more season left but a big ticket, aging and won't be around when they contend again, plus they have a guy in the A, Delia who they like and a capable vet in Ward to share the net and see out the year.

Of course the Hawks could surprise and turn it around, but if not I like the idea of targeting him if they can move Smith's money out.

My concern is that the Flames have traded so many draft picks recently, they really need to hang on to the 1st this year. Mangiapane and Kylington are two guys who I think could hold some value and the Flames will need to expose them in the expansion draft so if they won't play in the NHL, maybe leverage them. Honestly though I don't see them upgrading in net without moving the first which is going to hurt and could backfire again if the team slumps.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Should be able to get howard for smith plus klimchuk or a second or something.

Hopefully not a 2nd as it would be nice to draft in that round some time again.
I consider trading guys like Klimchuk, Foo, Gillies and maybe even Eat Bread depending on how the organization views him.
Does not seem like the Wings have a great goalie prospect so maybe Gillies would be tempting for them.

[The Yen Man]

The problem is, the Flames can't afford to hang tough for another month hoping Smith can play himself out of it. Guy is losing us games. We'd be near bottom of the league right now had the Flames not had those crazy comeback games. Smith is killing the team right now, and needs to be benched. Go with Rittich to see what you have now, and if that doesn't work, you trade for an upgrade somehow.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I think they should try to hang tough for another month or so... if Smith continues struggling shift to Rittich a little more and eventually trade for an upgrade.

I think Corey Crawford makes a lot of sense... Chicago wasn't losing because of coach Q, they need to re-build. When they fall out of it I could see them moving him, only one more season left but a big ticket, aging and won't be around when they contend again, plus they have a guy in the A, Delia who they like and a capable vet in Ward to share the net and see out the year.

Of course the Hawks could surprise and turn it around, but if not I like the idea of targeting him if they can move Smith's money out.

My concern is that the Flames have traded so many draft picks recently, they really need to hang on to the 1st this year. Mangiapane and Kylington are two guys who I think could hold some value and the Flames will need to expose them in the expansion draft so if they won't play in the NHL, maybe leverage them. Honestly though I don't see them upgrading in net without moving the first which is going to hurt and could backfire again if the team slumps.

The Flames are going to lose someone good in the next expansion draft. I think it's unavoidable at this point.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Itse

Why would Florida or anyone give us picks for Smith? He's one of the worst goalies in the league, and isn't even cheap. He's not even an improvement on James Reimer, and Luongo should be back in a couple of weeks.

I pointed out a destination specifically with Mike Smith as that really is the question: who would want him? It stuck with me when I heard that Florida could be a destination for him.

Sometime recently there was a thought out there that the Panthers were interested in Smith, primarily due to the similar style to Luongo or something like that. It made enough sense to be feasible, but who knows what a week changes.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If they make a move it will be a Howard type stop gap. I think Andersson from Ottawa is another one.

Has to be an out of playoff picture team and they have to take Smith back.

Sobering thought - you don't think Detroit and Ottawa would be on Smith's 8 team NTC list? Let's all guess what the teams would be.

[stemit14]

I have mentioned in the past my problem with Smith’s demeanour in games. Even when we first got him. Some call it intensity and competitiveness. But I have never liked it when goalies lose their cool or are vocally criticizing teammates.

I always prefer goalies that have a calming nature to their game. Was one of the best features of kipper. Good goal, bad goal, big save, easy save... it didn’t matter. He reacted the same way every time. He got up and took a drink of his Gatorade and got back to work. It’s why he rarely had stretches of letting in lots of bad goals. He kept his composure and would usually recover from a bad goal.

Guys like Smith, Elliott, and hiller have been the opposite. The second they let in a bad goal or a goal gets deflected by one of their own teammates... they look to the sky, or slam their stick or shrug their arms at teammates. That’s not a calming influence and never helps the goalie or their team mates get better. When smith lets in one bad goal... everyone knows he’s going to let in more... he never recovers during the game. Ever.

For reasons like these I would like whatever goalie the flames target next to be a calm, cool and collected style of goalie the way kipper was. I know his natural ability is not something that is easily found but I just want a goalie that focuses on stopping pucks and keeping in a focused state. Not someone who is trying to make breakout passes and is telling players how to defend. I would avoid guys like Lehner for this reason. He, like smith, is too reactionary/hot tempered and is not a calming influence to the team.

I actually believe Rittich is a good option going forward and I think has real potential to become a starter. He plays a tight game and his rebound control is good. Would love for the flames to approach kipper himself to come in as the new goalie coach to pass on his mental approach to Rittich as well as future flames goalies.


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[sa226]

We're in a tough spot for spending assets on goalies. I like the idea of a stop gap for a C level prospect, then chase in free agency.

If we were to again spend significant assets for another goalie, it scares me to add up the number of assets spent since Elliott first arrived. Thats a lot of draft picks for crap goaltending.

On the other side of it, I hope Treliving is doing 2 things. 1) Combing the market for alternatives. 2)Doing an in-depth analysis of what the heck has happened to Smith.

His body isnt breaking down like most players who age. Its all mental. Have the equipment changes made that big of a difference? Or has he just flat out, lost it?

Say what you will about his accomplishments throughout his career. But he was a clear cut #1 goalie in this league. A pretty good one too. Historically, how many former #1s, who are now out of the league, how did they go out? Did they go physically before they went mentally? Injuries?

How much appetite do the Flames have to let Smith find his mojo?

On the Rittich side of things, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to protect him, rather than just let him run with it. Rittich has been pretty good, not great but pretty good. Except for when Smith got injured and the Flames playoff hopes rested on Rittich and Gillies' shoulders.

I was never under the impression that Smith was going to win the Vezina, but I at least hoped for average goaltending. I definitely didn't see the tire fire that we're witnessing now.

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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sa226

His body isnt breaking down like most players who age. Its all mental. Have the equipment changes made that big of a difference? Or has he just flat out, lost it?

It sure looked like figured he had that first soft one, and he didn't even feel it slip through.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sobering thought - you don't think Detroit and Ottawa would be on Smith's 8 team NTC list? Let's all guess what the teams would be.

Doesn't mean that he can change his mind or waive to go somewhere else.

The list just gives a GM ability to freely negotiate with a certain amount of teams, while giving the player the ability to control his future.

Some players may be willing to accept an alternative place if the GM came to him and told him that none of the teams on his list were interested, but the player is under no obligation to agree to anything off his list.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

And then sign Talbot in the off-season.
He would be my #1 target.

So sweet if he pulled a Dubnyk playing for Calgary.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

yeah or a Klimchuk type asset

I’m making that move by dinner time today if it’s out there.