GT: 2018 US Midterm Elections

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

His message appeals to those who want a change, who believe in inclusivity, and who believe that the government can--or maybe should---do things to help make your life better. There is a large segment of the Midwest that doesn't want or believe in at least one of those things.

Obama won all those states with basically this message. Hillary was simply a terrible messenger. And given that Trump was pretty soundly beaten back in those states, it would seem to me the Dems need a great messenger and they'll have a very good chance to reclaim those states.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Not that it matters these days, but he doesn't have any executive experience, and I'm not convinced he could win the Midwestern vote. And his legislative experience and accomplishments are, let's be honest, a bit thin.
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Now, could he be the Vice Presidential nominee? Sure...that would be a better position for him, in my view.

Erm... if he doesn't have the experience necessary to run the country as president, he shouldn't be nominated for Vice President.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Benghazi

https://twitter.com/user/status/1060155917059219461

Leaks? The Chinese are listening to his phone calls.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Modern conservatism across the globe has become nationalist isolationism. It’s happening here with Scheer and Rempel, Brazil just elected a right wing nationalist, Germany, Sweden, etc are all seeing rising nationalist parties.

That’s modern conservatism. It’s socially conservative, nationalist, and focused on cutting taxes without regard for deficits. #### the future generations, I want to pay less taxes now!

We are living in a 1970s and 80s conservative Utopia right now. Conservatism laregely won out, and the only place it had to go was towards fascism.

The economic debates of the 60s are long over. We all live in societies where the government spends more than it takes in, where income taxes are laregely unrecognizable to our forebearers etc. The us democratic party is happy to adopt conservative positions of 70s and 80s conservatism. Peter Lougheed and Joe Clark are positively left wing figures now. Corporate monopolies are the economic order if the day rather than a scourge to be combated.

Scheer/remple have no other subject to discuss that will engender votes. there is little separation in economic policies between federal conservatives and liberals, the only place left to make any hay is the social side of things.

The next step after that is weakening government and societal institutions to either cast them as failures or to paint the proposed conservative/nationalist solutions as the only practical means of addressing the problem. "The only way to fix AGT is to.privatize it!" "The long form census isn't necessary to meet the needs of Canadians!" "The government wants to kill business by taxing carbon emissions!" "I'm Max bernier and I want a people's party!"

The common denominator is the concentration of media in private hands. We get told this is normal, that it isn't immediately outrageous that the rebel even exists let alone has the official opposition as a notable guest, or that American conservatives have their own entire extremist media arm.

And we will all laugh at the stupid Americans and then watch as our fellow Canadians will follow a patently absurd charlattan, like Canada's other Ted Cruz, Jason Kenney, off a cliff.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Not remotely. That was my thought at first too, but as the dust settles this looks more like a wave that has been contained by rural structural vote efficiency advantages and gerrymandering. Consider:

1. Voter turnout of over 114 million, crazy high for a midterm;
2. A popular vote margin of between 8 and 9 percent in favour of Democrats;
3. Historically deep red districts are flipping, or way closer than they should be (King almost loses IA-4; Rohrabacher loses in Orange County; OK-5 goes to the Democrats; Democrats win on Staten Island)
4. Democrats flip 7 governorships and a bunch of state houses; and
5. A social liberal’s wish list of “firsts”—first openly gay governor in Colorado, TWO Native American women and TWO Muslim women elected to Congress, etc. Et .);
6. Republicans come scarily close to losing a statewide race in TEXAS.

Florida is disappointing for Democrats, but their overall performance qualifies as a wave to me. The popular vote margin is larger than any of the recent “wave” elections. All of that plus the fact that this was a nationwide referendum on Trump, and he lost, and lost in the very rust belt states that helped him win in 2016.

I think he’s in trouble in 2020. If this is the electorate in two years he is going to lose the electoral college “bigly”.

The florida wave is building out in the Atlantic waiting to come ashore in 2 years when those 1.5 million disenfranchised voters are able to vote.

Rick Scott has won 3 statewide florida elections by a combined margin of 2.6%.

If you let black people vote, these outcomes aren't likely.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Erm... if he doesn't have the experience necessary to run the country as president, he shouldn't be nominated for Vice President.

Why not?

How many Presidents have died within the first few months of taking office? One? Two (if you count Garfield's rather lengthy death)?

It seems to me that the odds are in favor of such a thing not happening, and that the VP could "learn" rather quickly how to handle the executive/legislative maneuvering and skills required of a President while being VP.

[ernie]

Looking at exit poll data it is immediately obvious why the GOP will continue to try to disenfranchise minorities through gerrymandering and other means and continue to promote programs that prevent their base from increasing their education etc. They only groups they soundly carried was the Over 45 white vote and whites lacking college education (overlap in those groups). They had some 1-3% point wins or ties among a select few other groups.

Really it also shows that moving forward the only thing really holding the Dems back is getting people out to vote. Obama got them out to vote. Hilalry didn't. It shouldn't take anymore than the statement "it's your future why are you letting your parents and grandparents control it? Do you want your vision for the country or theirs?" It clearly does but it shouldn't.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Why not?

Sarah Palin.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by ernie

Looking at exit poll data it is immediately obvious why the GOP will continue to try to disenfranchise minorities through gerrymandering and other means and continue to promote programs that prevent their base from increasing their education etc. They only groups they soundly carried was the Over 45 white vote and whites lacking college education (overlap in those groups). They had some 1-3% point wins or ties among a select few other groups.

Really it also shows that moving forward the only thing really holding the Dems back is getting people out to vote. Obama got them out to vote. Hilalry didn't. It shouldn't take anymore than the statement "it's your future why are you letting your parents and grandparents control it? Do you want your vision for the country or theirs?" It clearly does but it shouldn't.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls

Bernie Sanders could still be a big problem. He had as much to do with low democrat turnout in the rust belt as anyone. If he runs again, and doesn't win, it will likely be the same problem again.

[habernac]

uh....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1060151163201425409

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by habernac

uh....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1060151163201425409

I read this morning that since he was deceased, the party gets to choose his replacement. So I guess people preferred a random replacement over a democrat. Which I guess makes sense in the team sport aspect of this whole thing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by habernac

uh....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1060151163201425409

That reads like an Onion tweet.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sarah Palin.

I'm not voting for Sarah Palin or for any ticket that she is on.

So what is your point?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I don't know why I'm watching this press conference.

This guy is delusional.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by habernac

uh....

https://twitter.com/user/status/1060151163201425409

I just saw this. Unbelievable.

[direwolf]

As usual, when he goes off script it always devolves into a dumpster fire, lol. Dude is all over the place, making no sense whatsoever.

He also seems really nervous about the forthcoming investigations that the Dems will likely launch.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Maybe we'll make a deal. Maybe we won't. Maybe it won't be good, maybe it will.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

We want crystal clean water.

He should fly to Flint to tell them that. They'd be shocked.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Democrats want the wall too?

Ummmm.........like who?

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I read this morning that since he was deceased, the party gets to choose his replacement. So I guess people preferred a random replacement over a democrat. Which I guess makes sense in the team sport aspect of this whole thing.

To be fair, I'd vote for a dead democrat over any living republican at this point in time. And I'd do it even if they weren't replacing him and just propping his dead body up in a house seat.