Store kicks out disabled woman driving scooter

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

It's also possible for anyone to discriminate against someone, even a store owner. that being said, we can only speculate how it really played out.

Good point, too true.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by JackJack

Sure is! A great comparison actually.

Why would businesses start to cater/accomodate to the very few number of people with wheelchairs and scooters? How economically feasible is that?

The majority of the population doesn't require any extraordinary accomodations in terms of aisle space, so wheres the logic by all of a sudden making it a law?

Braille on price tags is a wonderful analogy

am I the only one who finds this post kind of, i dunno... ashole'ish?

[calf]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

One and the same I'm sure. No one who has ever stepped foot on the UofC campus doesn't have a story about her.

I think the most memorable story for me, other than the constant honking and watching her poke people with her cane, was when someone wrote a TLF that said something to the effect of "hey scooter lady, don't pretend like you can't walk, because I've seen you do it", and it caused a lot of drama in the letters to the editor & TLFs iirc.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

am I the only one who finds this post kind of, i dunno... ashole'ish?

Is it any different then your disregard of brail on packaging for the blind?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

am I the only one who finds this post kind of, i dunno... ashole'ish?

Nope. I'm with you.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

sometimes i have to drive down the middle of the road because the intersection only has a curb cut on one out of three corners..

and sometimes I'm just drunk!

You need that 4x4 chair.

[4X4]

Yea, maybe not the closest comparison, but it was in response to the suggestion that every store, everywhere has to be accessable to the (mobility) handicapped. If that's the case, why aren't there braille price stickers, and for that matter, braille labels and walking stick guide paths in all stores?

At least alot of curbs have ramps, and most big stores (safeway, walmart, home depot, chapters, adult depot) have wheelchair ramps.

Not every small store or restaurant can do it. It costs money to install a ramp, and limits the amount of stuff for sale by having fewer (wider) aisles. Too bad for the handicapped person. They can just boycott the place with all their friends and family and shop at the place down the street with the ramp.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

am I the only one who finds this post kind of, i dunno... ashole'ish?

No.

[ericschand]

Originally Posted by Flame On

It's also a right of a private business to refuse service....

I believe this is wrong. If you are running a business, you must accept
all public inquiries to your business. Doesn't matter if it's a "normal",
rich, disabled, homeless, you must cater to them.

Also, I thought that a business is only bound by handicap-access laws
once it reaches a certain size (after all, as others have mentioned,
the costs are high with maintaining wheelchair).

Finally, I think if you are blind, you can ask a Safeway, Walmart,
<insert big box store> employee to help you shop.

Yeah, yeah, the whole post is based on stuff I've heard.

ers

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by ericschand

I believe this is wrong. If you are running a business, you must accept
all public inquiries to your business. Doesn't matter if it's a "normal",
rich, disabled, homeless, you must cater to them.

Also, I thought that a business is only bound by handicap-access laws
once it reaches a certain size (after all, as others have mentioned,
the costs are high with maintaining wheelchair).

Finally, I think if you are blind, you can ask a Safeway, Walmart,
<insert big box store> employee to help you shop.

Yeah, yeah, the whole post is based on stuff I've heard.

ers

Of course there's a right. My father was a pub landlord in Britain and had the right to refuse beligerant drunks and the legal requirement to refuse those he suspects may be under the age.
Of course there are situations where a business person has a right to ask someone to leave. However; morally and legally every consideration should be made to accomodate those with impairments of one form or another.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

If it's that unholy women who frequents the UofC campus with her scooter, then it's probably her fault.

You mean the one who can actually walk but chooses not to?

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by ericschand

I believe this is wrong. If you are running a business, you must accept
all public inquiries to your business. Doesn't matter if it's a "normal",
rich, disabled, homeless, you must cater to them.

Also, I thought that a business is only bound by handicap-access laws
once it reaches a certain size (after all, as others have mentioned,
the costs are high with maintaining wheelchair).

Finally, I think if you are blind, you can ask a Safeway, Walmart,
<insert big box store> employee to help you shop.

Yeah, yeah, the whole post is based on stuff I've heard.

ers

Tell that to all the bouncers at every major Calgary nightclub and bar. Right to refuse entry on any arbitraty condition of their choosing is their mantra.

[Crazy Flamer]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

am I the only one who finds this post kind of, i dunno... ashole'ish?

The post was a little rude, but the point he made still stands. I think its a good comparison.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yea, maybe not the closest comparison, but it was in response to the suggestion that every store, everywhere has to be accessable to the (mobility) handicapped. If that's the case, why aren't there braille price stickers, and for that matter, braille labels and walking stick guide paths in all stores?

At least alot of curbs have ramps, and most big stores (safeway, walmart, home depot, chapters, adult depot) have wheelchair ramps.

Not every small store or restaurant can do it. It costs money to install a ramp, and limits the amount of stuff for sale by having fewer (wider) aisles. Too bad for the handicapped person. They can just boycott the place with all their friends and family and shop at the place down the street with the ramp.

Wrong. Public buildings have to be barrier free for people in wheel chairs. It is in the Building code. So small stores or restaurants that aren't wheel chair accessible have either been built before the code or they are not up to code, which is against the law. Small stores and restaurants are public buildings.

It is not that hard to be accomodate people in wheel chairs. It's just a matter of having a ramp or curb cut, and having a larger bathroom and corridors.

[Flames_Gimp]

huh?

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Is it any different then your disregard of brail on packaging for the blind?

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

well then they might as well stop putting in elevators, curb cuts and ramps... majority of the people don't need them anyways... screw the disabled, ship em off to the mental institute!

By the sounds of things..this was a private business.

The city/province has more of a responsibility to provide for the disabled citizens than an avarage joe running his own store. Especially when that disabled citizen is paying taxes, they have the right to that disabled spot or that bank in the curb just as much as i have the right to better roads etc with my tax dollars. But when we are talking privately owned small businesses, i believe it's up to the owner to decide what he/she should and should not do and nobody should be in the way to dictate.

Being disabled is just that - disabled - so you can't expect to be able to have access to everything those who aren't do. That just isn't feisable or logic thinking. As a society, we try out best to accommodate those with special needs, but at the end of the day, it cannot be perfect.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Of course there's a right. My father was a pub landlord in Britain and had the right to refuse beligerant drunks and the legal requirement to refuse those he suspects may be under the age.
Of course there are situations where a business person has a right to ask someone to leave. However; morally and legally every consideration should be made to accomodate those with impairments of one form or another.

You comparison doesn't really work. Refusing to serve drunk and/or underage people is against the anyways. Those are liqour laws that you need to uphold to keep your liqour license. Now these are the laws here in Canada, those laws may be different in Britain, I suspect not, but maybe.

Refusing someone service in your store because they are in a wheel chair doesn't fall into "your right" as a store owner, it falls into discrimination.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yea, maybe not the closest comparison, but it was in response to the suggestion that every store, everywhere has to be accessable to the (mobility) handicapped. If that's the case, why aren't there braille price stickers, and for that matter, braille labels and walking stick guide paths in all stores?

At least alot of curbs have ramps, and most big stores (safeway, walmart, home depot, chapters, adult depot) have wheelchair ramps.

Not every small store or restaurant can do it. It costs money to install a ramp, and limits the amount of stuff for sale by having fewer (wider) aisles. Too bad for the handicapped person. They can just boycott the place with all their friends and family and shop at the place down the street with the ramp.

pretty much any new store should be accessible yes.
making the aisles wide as a standard door isn't too much to ask.

as far as the braille thing, I've never seen someone in the media asking for that, when has someone complained that there wasn't braille on a price tag? and at least someone who is visually impaired can get into the store..

easy for alot of able bodied people to sit here and act like it isn't a big deal for something as minor as narrow aisles, but until you deal with the same discrimination and general ignorance that I deal with virtually every time I step(wheel) out in public, you have no idea.

[eazyduzzit]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

making the aisles wide as a standard door isn't too much to ask.

What if there was not enough room to accomodate larger aisles?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Wrong. Public buildings have to be barrier free for people in wheel chairs. It is in the Building code. So small stores or restaurants that aren't wheel chair accessible have either been built before the code or they are not up to code, which is against the law. Small stores and restaurants are public buildings.

It is not that hard to be accomodate people in wheel chairs. It's just a matter of having a ramp or curb cut, and having a larger bathroom and corridors.

thank you..bout time someone posted this.