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Bunk · 10-31-2018, 04:12 PM

My current instinct is that the plebiscite loses. The main factor being the demographic split in polling on the topic - No skews older, Yes skews younger. Older citizens vote in high proportions, younger people do not - especially not in mid term special plebiscite type vote.

The late nature of the deal is double edged - in one hand there is a wave you could ride to a win on a short time frame, on the other hand, it will be viewed as hasty by some.

My record in predicting results isn't very good, though.

Joborule · 10-31-2018, 04:21 PM

Gondek: "It's their job to win the bid. They're BidCo, not 'Lose the BidCo'."

Gondek is fantastic. Future mayor right there.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 04:22 PM

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I dunno man... that'll still be a lot of voters. I bet the vote will be close (one way or the other). I would have guessed a narrow "yes" a week ago, if I had to put money down now I'd probably say a narrow no. But ultimately I wouldn't make a bet because I think it's hard to say who is going to turn out for this.

I don't know, the level of distrust for council and Nenshi in particular is pretty high. And since recent elections have shown us it's usually the "out of touch"/"establishment" side that loses, that would of course be the Yes side. It could be close, but I just don't see a lot of enthusiasm for Yes outside people who would vote Yes even if this bid financially bankrupted the city. But we'll see when they start having Virtue and Moir show up at every elementary school in the city to try and manipulate the kids.

Bunk · 10-31-2018, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I don't know, the level of distrust for council and Nenshi in particular is pretty high. And since recent elections have shown us it's usually the "out of touch"/"establishment" side that loses, that would of course be the Yes side. It could be close, but I just don't see a lot of enthusiasm for Yes outside people who would vote Yes even if this bid financially bankrupted the city.

There definitely is a brexit kind of anti-establishment populast tenor to the no discussion.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

There definitely is a brexit kind of anti-establishment populast tenor to the no discussion.

Well yeah, does it get any more "globalist" than the IOC? FIFA might be about it.

RM14 · 10-31-2018, 04:27 PM

Sutherland!!

nik- · 10-31-2018, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

There definitely is a brexit kind of anti-establishment populast tenor to the no discussion.

What?

Parallex · 10-31-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunk

No skews older, Yes skews younger.

Does it? See that's one of my unknowns... I'd generally assume the same as you. But I don't know if the older demographic has nostalgic bend to it due to 88. I have no idea how the plebiscite will unfold just that I think it'll be close.

topfiverecords · 10-31-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Joborule

Gondek: "It's their job to win the bid. They're BidCo, not 'Lose the BidCo'."

Gondek is fantastic. Future mayor right there.

She's a badass.

GGG · 10-31-2018, 04:35 PM

We are still two weeks out and most people aren’t following the live tweets of the bid. So this chaos we see won’t be seen by the general public. Coming out of this the yes messaging will be we have secured federal and provincial funding for the bid and were able with more detailed analysis to cut scope from the project to reduce the cost and we are able to get all events hosted internally.

So for 500 million you get A field house, McMahon, a bunch of other facility upgrades, and thousands of units of affordable housing.

This chaos you see will be quickly forgotten. This passes or fails on the same basis it always has. If a new flames arena is announced next week this will pass. If not it won’t. I don’t think that has changed throughout this process.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

We are still two weeks out and most people aren’t following the live tweets of the bid. So this chaos we see won’t be seen by the general public. Coming out of this the yes messaging will be we have secured federal and provincial funding for the bid and were able with more detailed analysis to cut scope from the project to reduce the cost and we are able to get all events hosted internally.

So for 500 million you get A field house, McMahon, a bunch of other facility upgrades, and thousands of units of affordable housing.

This chaos you see will be quickly forgotten. This passes or fails on the same basis it always has. If a new flames arena is announced next week this will pass. If not it won’t. I don’t think that has changed throughout this process.

So what you're saying is we should cancel the Olympic bid and just give the Flames the arena, since that's all that anyone cares about? I mean I guess.

greyshep · 10-31-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

We are still two weeks out and most people aren’t following the live tweets of the bid. So this chaos we see won’t be seen by the general public. Coming out of this the yes messaging will be we have secured federal and provincial funding for the bid and were able with more detailed analysis to cut scope from the project to reduce the cost and we are able to get all events hosted internally.

So for 500 million you get A field house, McMahon, a bunch of other facility upgrades, and thousands of units of affordable housing.

This chaos you see will be quickly forgotten. This passes or fails on the same basis it always has. If a new flames arena is announced next week this will pass. If not it won’t. I don’t think that has changed throughout this process.

From my viewpoint all the press has been negative. I think the Yes side has a monumental task to have even a slim chance of this going forward. It seems daily that I see a copy of the Calgary Sun with nothing but negative headlines pushed by writers like Rick Bell. I would be shocked if the yes side wins this.

MoneyGuy · 10-31-2018, 04:48 PM

I think any plebiscite fails decisively. Ryan Jesperson said he’s had many callers indicating non-support and not one in favour.

topfiverecords · 10-31-2018, 04:48 PM

8-7

Plebiscite will happen.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 04:49 PM

Lol and there's the nightmare scenario, majority of council votes to kill, but not enough to actually kill. The clown show continues, but now with more athletes and bigwigs trying to save this thing.

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-31-2018, 04:57 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1057767157864353793

Dion · 10-31-2018, 05:06 PM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1057764821934821376

flames_fan_down_under · 10-31-2018, 05:10 PM

Good! The Olympics in Vancouver are etched in my memory as some of the most fun and exciting times in my entire life. Calgary needs something to get excited about. I hope the citizens do the right thing and vote Yes.

I remember in Vancouver before the Olympics how so many people were talking about making plans to leave the city when they were on, how much of a headache it will be, traffic will be a nightmare etc etc etc. the negativity was in overdrive. Now it is remembered so fondly by so many people and finished debt free and the legacy projects are very well used.

Jacks · 10-31-2018, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GGG

This chaos you see will be quickly forgotten. This passes or fails on the same basis it always has. If a new flames arena is announced next week this will pass. If not it won’t. I don’t think that has changed throughout this process.

That's my take on it. Reminds me of question period in Ottawa, the majority of people don't give a crap about the arguing behind the scenes.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that a deal gets done with the Flames, an arena is part of the bid and the plebisite passes 55%+
I can't see the city and the Flames letting this opportunity to get an arena deal slip by.

llwhiteoutll · 10-31-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Good! The Olympics in Vancouver are etched in my memory as some of the most fun and exciting times in my entire life. Calgary needs something to get excited about. I hope the citizens do the right thing and vote Yes.

I remember in Vancouver before the Olympics how so many people were talking about making plans to leave the city when they were on, how much of a headache it will be, traffic will be a nightmare etc etc etc. the negativity was in overdrive. Now it is remembered so fondly by so many people and finished debt free and the legacy projects are very well used.

Do you also get excited about poor estimates and shaky cost justifications? Or are hundreds of millions or billions in cost overruns part of the price to pay for a few days of partying? Can you expand on the legacy projects that a 2026 games would leave behind beside a small arena that the NHL wouldn’t use and a field house?