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Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 01:22 PM

Clown show is back in session. Should be fun to see what kind of whoppers come out this afternoon.

Hockeyguy15 · 10-31-2018, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JoseCuervo

A lot of dumb things have been said by the no side in this thread but this takes the cake.

Dumb because I disagree with the funding proposal and think it's a waste of money to continue with the plebiscite?

Cool...Cool.

BlackArcher101 · 10-31-2018, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RM14

The 4.4 is locally. & $1B is local wages.

$4.4 billion into the local economy, creating jobs, prosperity and growth
$1 billion in wages for Calgarians – 15,400 jobs
The City of Calgary would need to invest $390 million
For every dollar Calgary invests, it gets $10 in return

You..... just repeated what it says?

RoadGame · 10-31-2018, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, that one kind of jumped out at me as well.

"Insurance on Olympic overruns."

Who in their right mind would be willing to insure that? That sounds like a sucker's bet.

Perhaps some of the people working with BidCo also helped London 2012 and have first hand experience working with insurers, to the point of asserting what's possible because of their connections and experience.

Just sayin'

RM14 · 10-31-2018, 01:30 PM

nm

FurnaceFace · 10-31-2018, 01:30 PM

What is realistic then? If it's not 10 to 1 is it 5 to 1? 2 to 1? As long as the return is positive, and there is some guarantee it would be positive, then I'm more likely to say yes.

That's the big caveat though as there are no guarantees. I want a better understanding of what legacy projects we get. Currently I don't see them...but perhaps they come after.

Anyone with knowledge of the Vancouver decision? Was the Canada Line and twinning of the Sea to Sky known when the bid was put together or was that a decision made much later? Or even closer to home if anyone knows if the Ctrain build in the 80s was known before the bid was completed? I kind of get the sense most infrastructure/legacy projects aren't known ahead of time and there is a bit of guesswork and faith made.

Hockeyguy15 · 10-31-2018, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RM14

no I didn't, you said wages of $4.4 BB would stay in Calgary. The data says the $4.4 BB is more than just Calgary wages.. Not sure where you got your information of $4BB in wages from.

She didn't say 4.4 was just wages?

BlackArcher101 · 10-31-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RM14

no I didn't, you said wages of $4.4 BB would stay in Calgary. The data says the $4.4 BB is more than just Calgary wages.. Not sure where you got your information of $4BB in wages from.

No I didn't....

Senator Clay Davis · 10-31-2018, 01:33 PM

So with how divided council appears to be, the nightmare scenario is looking very possible: The majority of council cancels the bid, but with only 8 or 9 votes, keeping the bid alive. Which given the debacle the process has been, would be the most fitting way for this to go.

RM14 · 10-31-2018, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

No I didn't....

Fair, I took when you said "ALL" as wages to be the $4B total. My mistake!

GullFoss · 10-31-2018, 01:34 PM

My favourite part of this is how tone deaf politicians are. They're literally throwing their credibility by fudging the bid numbers in such an obvious way. Why are they doing this? So we can have a peblicite.

And then the peblicite is going to be a landslide "no" vote.

And in the end...it's going to be
1) huge loss of credibility
2) no Olympics

I'm appauled at how bad at strategy these politicians are. if you can't win the peblicite vote, don't ruin your credibility to ensure there is a peblicite. That's so stupid. Not only do you ruin your own reputation, but you make the voters more disenfranchised with the system by trying to game it such an obvious way.

Everyone involved in this bid should feel like gutter trash scum.

CPK80 · 10-31-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

What is realistic then? If it's not 10 to 1 is it 5 to 1? 2 to 1? As long as the return is positive, and there is some guarantee it would be positive, then I'm more likely to say yes.

That's the big caveat though as there are no guarantees. I want a better understanding of what legacy projects we get. Currently I don't see them...but perhaps they come after.

Anyone with knowledge of the Vancouver decision? Was the Canada Line and twinning of the Sea to Sky known when the bid was put together or was that a decision made much later? Or even closer to home if anyone knows if the Ctrain build in the 80s was known before the bid was completed? I kind of get the sense most infrastructure/legacy projects aren't known ahead of time and there is a bit of guesswork and faith made.

The Canada Line and Sea to Sky highway were both not part of the Vancouver bid... They were on long term infrastructure plans that the government decided to move up in priority after they won the bid.

BlackArcher101 · 10-31-2018, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

I'm appauled at how bad at strategy these politicians are. if you can't win the peblicite vote, don't ruin your credibility to ensure there is a peblicite. That's so stupid. Not only do you ruin your own reputation, but you make the voters more disenfranchised with the system by trying to game it such an obvious way.

Everyone involved in this bid should feel like gutter trash scum.

I honestly feel that instead of making the decision themselves, they think they can save face by holding a plebiscite and say they are doing what the public wants. As if at this point anyone has trust in them anyways.

zhulander · 10-31-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CPK80

The Canada Line and Sea to Sky highway were both not part of the Vancouver bid... They were on long term infrastructure plans that the government decided to move up in priority after they won the bid.

Sea to Sky was part of the original bid, I believe according to the 2003 BC Auditor report:
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=1339

chemgear · 10-31-2018, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So with how divided council appears to be, the nightmare scenario is looking very possible: The majority of council cancels the bid, but with only 8 or 9 votes, keeping the bid alive. Which given the debacle the process has been, would be the most fitting way for this to go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GullFoss

My favourite part of this is how tone deaf politicians are. They're literally throwing their credibility by fudging the bid numbers in such an obvious way. Why are they doing this? So we can have a peblicite.

And then the peblicite is going to be a landslide "no" vote.

And in the end...it's going to be
1) huge loss of credibility
2) no Olympics

I'm appauled at how bad at strategy these politicians are. if you can't win the peblicite vote, don't ruin your credibility to ensure there is a peblicite. That's so stupid. Not only do you ruin your own reputation, but you make the voters more disenfranchised with the system by trying to game it such an obvious way.

Everyone involved in this bid should feel like gutter trash scum.

They're going to pour a ton more good money after bad by spending for an emotional appeal for the upcoming vote.

Naw, the nightmare scenario is that enough people are stupid enough to fall for it and the vote goes through. Then we all eat debt #### cake for a couple of decades.

Hockeyguy15 · 10-31-2018, 01:40 PM

How many times have they said there should be more info soon to clarify something? Stop trying to push this through already.

the_only_turek_fan · 10-31-2018, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chemgear

https://twitter.com/user/status/1057698526811975680

And we make fun of Trump for this kind of stuff.

flames_fan_down_under · 10-31-2018, 01:45 PM

Anyone care to update a casual follower of this bid process as to what is going on?

Council is voting on whether to go ahead with the plebiscite?

thanks!

chemgear · 10-31-2018, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

How many times have they said there should be more info soon to clarify something? Stop trying to push this through already.

But think of their "Legacy"!! And that 10:1 return on investment (or is it 11:1?)

####, I don't know about you but I need to pull out my RRSP's, TFSA's and max all my credit cards if I can really get that kind of return. Hell, every single city in the world is kicking down the door to get that return . . . wait, they're not?

Hockeyguy15 · 10-31-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chemgear

But think of their "Legacy"!! And that 10:1 return on investment (or is it 11:1?)

####, I don't know about you but I need to pull out my RRSP's, TFSA's and max all my credit cards if I can really get that kind of return. Hell, every single city in the world is kicking down the door to get that return . . . wait, they're not?

Of all the dumb things the "no" side has said...Am I doing this right?