Player Underlying Stats Summary

[Bingo]

Halloween Version: Positives

Took the various stats of all kinds and then a ranking of each to deem what players are dominating what groups of stats. Groups being what they generate, what they give up, and the differential or split.

In what they generate (CF, SCF, HDCF / 60)

1. Hamonic
2. Tkachuk
3. Backlund
4. Czarnik
5. Bennett
6. Hanifin
7. Giordano
8. Lindholm
9. Monahan
10. Gaudreau

In what they give up (CA, SCA, HDCA / 60)

1. Czarnik
2. Hamonic
3. Ryan
4. Frolik
5. Giordano
6. Brodie
7. Dube
8. Backlund
9. Valimaki
10. Bennett

Splits or differentials

1. Czarnik
2. Hamonic
3. Backlund
4. Bennett
5. Tkachuk
6. Frolik
7. Giordano
8. Brodie
9. Valimaki
10. Neal

Thoughts ...

Hamonic missed a bunch of games and is still inflated from that initial Vancouver game somewhat. He makes the minimal minutes but it's likely he settles in to more normal numbers. What can't be argued is that he's had a great start to his season compared to last year.

Czarnik missed a bunch of the Flames stinkers so his numbers are higher relative to some given that and his tie to the 3M line.

Getting worried that we are seeing a repeat from 3M this year; carry the play but don't score.

Bennett makes all three lists which is something given his past two years.

Negatives

In what they generate

20. Hathawawy
19. Ryan
18. Dube
17. Andersson
16. Valimaki

In What they Give up

20. Monahan
19. Andersson
18. Gaudreau
17. Hanifin
16. Stone

Differentials

20. Hathaway
19. Andersson
18. Jankowski
17. Ryan
16. Monahan

Thoughts ...

They're giving Andersson a long rope to learn on the job. Can't blame them as I'm seeing a lot of the same potential things. But his numbers aren't great when you get down to it.

Top line bleeding chances (improving)

Hathaway due to come out of the lineup?

[Samonadreau]

Would be interesting to factor in Zone starts somehow.

Janko and Ryan not doing much, but not sure if thats effected by where they are deployed.

[Bingo]

Most sheltered ...

1. Valimaki
2. Frolik
3. Tkachuk (that's a change)
4. Monahan
5. Stone
6. Gaudreau
7. Andersson
8. Jankowski
9. Backlund
10. Brodie

Least Sheltered

1. Hanifin (complete opposite of his time in Carolina)
2. Ryan
3. Neal
4. Giordano
5. Lindholm
6. Bennett (on all these lists in a favourable way)
7. Hathaway
8. Dube (impressive for a rookie)
9. Czarnik
10. Hamonic

[Samonadreau]

So Zone starts may explain Ryan being a non factor offensively. Janko on the other hand.....

[EVERLAST]

Hathaway needs to come out
Jankowski needs to do more.
Please out Czarnik in for Hathaway and let him work out of his slump or Peter's doghouse.

I'm impressed by last night as that was a team effort and teaches these guys to never give up .

I like what Peter's is doing and how he immediately addresses issues. He's a keeper.

[sa226]

I see the 3M line as a bit of an issue. We love Backlund, and Frolik is a helluva reliable player. But neither of them are very good at creating offense. Only Tkachuk is.

You know that they are a line matching warm blanket, but they need to create more offense.

Easiest way to balance imo is move Lindholm to their RW. But he is so damn good on the top line.

The only other thing that could alleviate their issues is if the 3rd line gets going.

Once again we're looking a bit top heavy. Need more out of the rest of the roster.

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Interesting to note that Peters trusted Valimaki with ice time on the PK in OT vs Buffalo

That lines up with him showing up on the list of people who don’t give up much

[joejoe3]

They need to put Neal on the second line with Tkachuk-Backlund

I want to see the James "Real Deal" Neal, not a 3rd line James "Fate Seal, Same Feel" Neal

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by sa226

I see the 3M line as a bit of an issue. We love Backlund, and Frolik is a helluva reliable player. But neither of them are very good at creating offense. Only Tkachuk is.

You know that they are a line matching warm blanket, but they need to create more offense.

Easiest way to balance imo is move Lindholm to their RW. But he is so damn good on the top line.

The only other thing that could alleviate their issues is if the 3rd line gets going.

Once again we're looking a bit top heavy. Need more out of the rest of the roster.

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Peters put Neal on the Backlund line halfway through the game and to my eye it looked pretty good. I'd put him there for a while to see what happens.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Peters put Neal on the Backlund line halfway through the game and to my eye it looked pretty good. I'd put him there for a while to see what happens.

Yeah and Jankowski pretty much sat late, ... Bennett got misused somewhat as I thought he was really going, but got left with scraps.

[Kovaz]

Based on the way Peters only puts Neal on Backlund's line when we're trailing, he realizes it increases our chance of scoring but hurts the Backlund line's shutdown ability enough that it's not gonna be a consistent line.

With how Gaudreau and Lindholm have had instant chemistry, a part of me wonders if it's worth exploring a lineup like:

Gaudreau-Lindholm-X (Maybe Gaudreau-Lindholm-Neal?)
Tkachuk-Monahan-X (Maybe Tkachuk-Monahan-Bennett?)
X-Backlund-X (Dube-Backlund-Frolik?)

Obviously you don't break up the top line now with the way they're producing, but down the line it'd be awesome to have 2 consistent scoring lines AND a Backlund-centered matchup line.


Also good to see Bennett showing up on so many of these lists in a positive way. I can't believe how bad his luck has been to start this year between early whistles taking away goals, unlucky bounces where we score a goal but Bennett somehow doesn't get a point, and posts hit. He could easily have 8-10 points if not more.

Weird to see Hanifin getting buried as well. I'd've thought we'd be leaning on Brodano more heavily while Hamonic was injured.

[Monahan For Mayor]

The more I see advanced stats through the years he more I discredit them. That said they definitely support Hamonic play. Guy has been a beast so far.

[Erick Estrada]

Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.

[Bingo]

Team Chart:
Flames 5on5 / 60 minutes VS the 16th best team (bubble) in each category.

Really points to where the team needs to improve, and the fact that they've taken steps in the right direction.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.

We don't have anyone else with the potential to put up FP/60 like he does. At least no one that can actually keep up with the play.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The more I see advanced stats through the years he more I discredit them. That said they definitely support Hamonic play. Guy has been a beast so far.

That's the thing, you can't really discredit them as they're simple counts.

You can ignore them.
You can argue their importance
But you stand little chance in discrediting them.

I wish the words "advanced" and "fancy" were never added to something so bloody simple.

[Harry Lime]

I would love to have a consistent Dube-Ryan-Frolik 4th line. The strength of all of these guys is that they can be plug and played upand down the lineup without a signifcant negative reaction to where they land. That, and they could be a real matchup problem for other coaches to deal with.

It would also shelter Frolik less to be with those two, and tougher assignments. I don't think he needs to be sheltered, but perhaps his usage more appropriate.

[CaptainCrunch]

I love Dube and what he does, he seems a bit snake bitten. Would it be smart to send him to the AHL for a bit to get his scoring confidence up and bring up someone like a Mangiapane for a look see?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can someone remind me why Hathaway has been in the lineup in the first place? He was a nice story a few years ago when inserted in the lineup a bit of a good luck charm but over the course of last season and into this one he's the very definition of replacement player. He should really only get in the lineup in the case of injury replacement or when one of the other forwards is downright terrible and deserves a night in the pressbox. He should not be a regular player for any NHL team.

I agree. I have never been impressed with Hathaway, but also thought he looked good in his first game or two this season. But he really should not be in any more than a handful of games unless filling in for an injured player. My hope is that Czarnik gets back into the lineup, and Hathaway takes a seat for a while.

[TheScorpion]

One thing I get out of this -- Ryan is the Flames' most exposed forward, yet he's second only to Czarnik in terms of allowing the least amount of chances.

That's good stuff.