2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Wht bout something like around gaudreau to philly? They have a lot of good young guys like konecny and maybe even Carter Hart could be available and there's always Simmonds or Nolan Patrick ...

The only way I entertain that is packaging Brodie with him and getting back Provorov and Patrick.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The only way I entertain that is packaging Brodie with him and getting back Provorov and Patrick.

I'd do this. Philly probably would too.

[kehatch]

The Flames had 1 player in the NHL top 50 this summer. None at C, D, or goal. Gaudreau was 35. Look at any cup team and you are going to find a much stronger collection.

Gaudreau is an elite point producer. But he isn't a superstar. Last season was his best and he barely cracked the top 20 in points. Monahan is an elite goal scorer, but again not a superstar. He barely cracked the top 30 in goals last season.

No team has won the cup without superstars in the cap era. But if a team does its going to be playing with an identity, playing strong defensive hockey, with a strong work ethic, and having great depth. Does anyone honestly see the Flames being that team?

If we are going to have any chance its going to be with Gaudreau and Monahan learning to play a complete game. Because their offence isn't enough to justify being a liability defensively and bringing very little else to the table.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The Flames had 1 player in the NHL top 50 this summer. None at C, D, or goal. Gaudreau was 35. Look at any cup team and you are going to find a much stronger collection.

Gaudreau is an elite point producer. But he isn't a superstar. Last season was his best and he barely cracked the top 20 in points. Monahan is an elite goal scorer, but again not a superstar. He barely cracked the top 30 in goals last season.

No team has won the cup without superstars in the cap era. But if a team does its going to be playing with an identity, playing strong defensive hockey, with a strong work ethic, and having great depth. Does anyone honestly see the Flames being that team?

If we are going to have any chance its going to be with Gaudreau and Monahan learning to play a complete game. Because their offence isn't enough to justify being a liability defensively and bringing very little else to the table.

Totally agree, flames are trying to win a cup without elite talent. (Well I'd argue when Gaudreau is on his game he is)

But it simply isn't gonna happen.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The Flames had 1 player in the NHL top 50 this summer. None at C, D, or goal. Gaudreau was 35. Look at any cup team and you are going to find a much stronger collection.

Gaudreau is an elite point producer. But he isn't a superstar. Last season was his best and he barely cracked the top 20 in points. Monahan is an elite goal scorer, but again not a superstar. He barely cracked the top 30 in goals last season.

No team has won the cup without superstars in the cap era. But if a team does its going to be playing with an identity, playing strong defensive hockey, with a strong work ethic, and having great depth. Does anyone honestly see the Flames being that team?

If we are going to have any chance its going to be with Gaudreau and Monahan learning to play a complete game. Because their offence isn't enough to justify being a liability defensively and bringing very little else to the table.

Depending on what list you go by that would be two as Monahan made the THN list I believe. If you do the math with of 50 players and 31 teams most teams that's less than two a team so the Flames are slightly better than average and I would go as far as to say on a top 100 list the Flames would likely come out well as Tkachuk and Gio are represented at the very least. The Flames biggest issue is that if you went down the roster from best players to worst their two goaltenders would be ranked amongst their worst players. You can't be considered a serious contender when your goaltending is your weakest position.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Diane Phagoof

I'd do this. Philly probably would too.

I think Philly hangs up the minute you say Provorov but that is what I would want in a return.

[Psytic]

Our talent level is above average it's just the player mix that doesn't work. This is why those suggesting change of scenery trades are on the money. No one is saying Johnny or Mono are bad just like no one said Weber and Jones were bad.... good teams make good trades that improve their team we aren't looking for a fire sale we want to improve the chemistry while keeping the same talent level. Tre just did this with Hamilton but I feel like we could do more to coax out a better defensive game. It might even be as easy as splitting them up to spread out the defensive liability. I dont see us winning a cup but being a contender should be a fair expectation.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Depending on what list you go by that would be two as Monahan made the THN list I believe. If you do the math with of 50 players and 31 teams most teams that's less than two a team so the Flames are slightly better than average and I would go as far as to say on a top 100 list the Flames would likely come out well as Tkachuk and Gio are represented at the very least. The Flames biggest issue is that if you went down the roster from best players to worst their two goaltenders would be ranked amongst their worst players. You can't be considered a serious contender when your goaltending is your weakest position.

Being average, or slightly better then average is okay? Even ignoring the lack of superstars we have issues.

The Flames have no identity. We have too many slow players to be a speed team. We don't have enough skill to be a skill team. We lack the toughness to be a tough team. Our D isn't strong enough, we have too many liabilities up front, and lack the goal tending to be a D first team. We don't have the offensive juggernauts to be that win 5 to 4 team. We also lack the assets or cap space to drastically improve the team.

What we have is depth. We should be able to run four lines / three pairs. But for they to be effective we need to play as a team instead if a bunch of individual units. Both Gaudreau and Monahan don't appear to be interested in that. If I am the coach I start by splitting them up, giving them PK time, and taking away ice time if I need to. If that doesn't work and I am the GM I trade one or both of them.

(And yes, we also need a goalie).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Depending on what list you go by that would be two as Monahan made the THN list I believe. If you do the math with of 50 players and 31 teams most teams that's less than two a team so the Flames are slightly better than average and I would go as far as to say on a top 100 list the Flames would likely come out well as Tkachuk and Gio are represented at the very least. The Flames biggest issue is that if you went down the roster from best players to worst their two goaltenders would be ranked amongst their worst players. You can't be considered a serious contender when your goaltending is your weakest position.

Sure but top 10 in the league is a whole lot different than top 50. So if Flames have an average number of top 50 or top 100 players that means they are about...average? With little representation at the top of those lists.

The concern with this team, in the big picture, has always been whether they have the elite talent necessary to actually contend. Because they have certainly not shown the inclination to overachieve and be greater than the sum of the parts.

So we can crack on Monahan and Gaudreau all we want. I personally think this team tries plenty hard enough, but asking Johnny to be a top 5 player in the league is like asking Bennett to be a 40 goal scorer.

I have never really understood what the vision was for this team to turn into a contender. Yeah there have been some nice trades, for more core pieces, more team control yadda, yadda. More players in your core, or more team control don’t actually win games.

But maybe I’m being overly affected by the bad recent play. There are plenty of posters here who a week ago were saying this team was a contender right now, and just needed an upgrade in goal to cement that status. Maybe they’re right and this is the kind of learning experience that brings them together and finally builds some buy in.

[SeanCharles]

I know we got spanked but come on..

Some of these posts are just brutal.

Don't get too high and too low, try and keep an even keel, it can be hard after getting embarrassed but this team still has a lot of pieces to be excited about.

We have 2 of the best LWers in the league.

We have one of the best scoring centres in the league.

We have one of the best defensive centres in the league.

We have one of the best defencemen in the league.

This team is a work in progress and I can admit there are still some big issues but we must not lose our sense.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The Flames had 1 player in the NHL top 50 this summer. None at C, D, or goal. Gaudreau was 35. Look at any cup team and you are going to find a much stronger collection.

Gaudreau is an elite point producer. But he isn't a superstar. Last season was his best and he barely cracked the top 20 in points. Monahan is an elite goal scorer, but again not a superstar. He barely cracked the top 30 in goals last season.

No team has won the cup without superstars in the cap era. But if a team does its going to be playing with an identity, playing strong defensive hockey, with a strong work ethic, and having great depth. Does anyone honestly see the Flames being that team?

If we are going to have any chance its going to be with Gaudreau and Monahan learning to play a complete game. Because their offence isn't enough to justify being a liability defensively and bringing very little else to the table.

Based on some media list

[Husky]

Originally Posted by kehatch

The Flames had 1 player in the NHL top 50 this summer. None at C, D, or goal. Gaudreau was 35. Look at any cup team and you are going to find a much stronger collection.

Gaudreau is an elite point producer. But he isn't a superstar. Last season was his best and he barely cracked the top 20 in points. Monahan is an elite goal scorer, but again not a superstar. He barely cracked the top 30 in goals last season.

No team has won the cup without superstars in the cap era. But if a team does its going to be playing with an identity, playing strong defensive hockey, with a strong work ethic, and having great depth. Does anyone honestly see the Flames being that team?

If we are going to have any chance its going to be with Gaudreau and Monahan learning to play a complete game. Because their offence isn't enough to justify being a liability defensively and bringing very little else to the table.

The duo together in last couple seasons are top 10 if not top 5 for points together. They are an elite, still young duo.

[N-E-B]

Holy crap do people not remember the last 15 years? Monahan is far and away the best centre we’ve had in over a decade.

No, he’s not perfect. But he’s a consistent 25-30 goal scorer and 60-65 points while Johnny is on pace to have another point per game season. They are not the problem, despite what some people want to believe. No, they’re not Crosby and Kane. They’re still damn good players that I want on my team. And they’re on good contracts too.

These overreactions are getting ridiculous.

[DeluxeMoustache]

The roster is fine. I don’t know what the hell a top 50 is and why it matters, but this team has a blend of talent and depth that a team like Vegas found a way to take to the final.

(Except Fleury, but Vegas won consistently with other goalies, and of course Engelland. He was a great team guy)

It is up to the coach to get the team playing the right way.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Holy crap do people not remember the last 15 years? Monahan is far and away the best centre we’ve had in over a decade.

No, he’s not perfect. But he’s a consistent 25-30 goal scorer and 60-65 points while Johnny is on pace to have another point per game season. They are not the problem, despite what some people want to believe. No, they’re not Crosby and Kane. They’re still damn good players that I want on my team. And they’re on good contracts too.

These overreactions are getting ridiculous.

They are certainly PART of the problem though as team defense is atrocious on this club and they are as guilty as anyone for being very very weak in that area. At least thus far. I still think the entire tam is a work in progress in this regard with so many new faces and an entire coaching staff to get to learn.

[Phagoof]

I wonder what it would take to pry Pietrangelo outta SL.

Giordano-Pietrangelo would be beautiful.

Not saying it would ever happen but...

[Saqe]

Monahan isn't a top center in this league but what can you do? Nothing. You can't trade him because no one will ever give you an upgrade. Even with his faults he's still a first line center and those are really tough to find.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Diane Phagoof

I wonder what it would take to pry Pietrangelo outta SL.

Giordano-Pietrangelo would be beautiful.

Not saying it would ever happen but...

Given the history with the family they would want Tkachuk which is instant hang up for me.

[jonkaupp]

All this talk about not having elite players while ignoring who I think is now the best player on the team in Tkachuk. By the end of the year I believe he will be regarded as a top 10 player in this league. Already one of the best possession players, turning into an elite point producer, very strong defensively, draws penalties, physicality, other teams hate him. He’s got it all. Gaudreau is your top point producer but Tkachuk will be the engine that propels this team to becoming a contender.

But none of it will matter unless we acquire a goalie.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

But none of it will matter unless we develop a goalie.

Fixed your post.

Goalie shopping is a losing proposition. Look at the best goalies in the league. Other than SJ and maybe TOR, who has acquired a legit #1 in the last few years?

Not Edmonton.

Not Dallas.

Not Carolina.