Mark Giordano as Captain

[Snuffleupagus]

Hey, Gio is a great D-man and an even better person but I truly believe this group needs a captain with more fire. from the non response of the treatment of Gaudreau to tonight's embarrassing loss without even a punishing hit it shows me there's a problem. This team is gutless and has been since Iggy left

I think of Bostons embarrassing opening night 7-0 loss in Washington, Love him or hate him Brad Marchand sent a message to his team that he hates to loose and basically attacked Lars Eller for show boating and running up the score. His Boston teammates got the message, they have one loss since (to us no less)

I think Gio needs to step up or step out.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Wait till Gio retires then Tkachuk takes over. Tkachuk a little too young still imo needs a couple more years

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Wait till Gio retires then Tkachuk takes over. Tkachuk a little too young still imo needs a couple more years

Gio has four years at least till retirement, are you saying this team should stay soft and gutless till then.?

[1qqaaz]

I'm fine with Giordano being captain, but I have almost no idea what kind of impact he is having. It seems he's well-spoken, so I guess that's good. He does seem pretty vocal at time. He's a great role model - a great do-gooder in the community. Can he motivate the team in the dressing room? No clue.

Wasn't he the same guy that captained a rebuilding team to the second round of the playoffs?

With that being said, I do agree that the team lacks a spine. Gaudreau routinely gets cheap-shotted (this should be covered be the refs) and the team didn't show much physicality after being down 8-0 tonight.
Gone are the days of enforcers, but successful playoff teams are still gritty.

Tkachuk looks like a great future captain, but let's not pull an Oilers and make a 20 year old captain. That's just silly and stupid (like everything else the Oilers tend to do).

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Gio has four years at least till retirement, are you saying this team should stay soft and gutless till then.?

WOW!!! The team is soft and gutless because of Gio and him being Captain?!?!


Please tell us about ur insider info and how you know this!!! Who is gonna take over if Gio stepped down tomorrow?

[N-E-B]

This is ridiculous. It’s a rough stretch for the team. Get a grip.

[GranteedEV]

Giordano didn't trade Ferland and Hamilton for two less dynamic players.

Giordano didn't trade an 11th overall pick for a #4/5 defenseman.

Giordano didn't decide to build an annual playoff hopeful around a lead-footed 2C while everyone else has a pair of two-way burners down the middle.

Giordano didn't sign Troy Brouwer to play with the highest overall pick in franchise history trying to learn the most important forward position on the ice, completely breaking his confidence in the process.

Giordano didn't sign a poor man's Sam Gagner to a 3 year 3.125 million dollar deal.

Giordano didn't sign a 31 year old power forward no one else wanted in a league getting faster every season.

Giordano didn't trade for, then sign, Mike Stone to 3.5 million a year for 3 years to be a shakey #5-6 defenseman.

Giordano didn't trade away the steady Brett Kulak to save a few hundred thousand and gamble on a 19 year old defenseman.

Giordano didn't decide that Brodie's strengths - collapsing in the lane and using his stick, throwing long bomb passes, gorgeous backhand rushes, all needed to get taken away because that style didn't work for the Engellands of the world.

Talent and compete are the end all be all. Giordano is damn talented and he competes harder than anyone. He can't make his teammates more talented. If his compete isn't inspiring his teammates that says much more about them than it does about him.

So **** off with that garbage. Giordano is an exemplary captain. I don't know if this team can turn it around or not. They have before under Giordano as captain. But he did not build this roster. The only thing he might be guilty of is being the kind of captain who didn't let this team win the McDavid sweepstakes the year they were supposed to be gunning for that.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I'm fine with Giordano being captain, but I have almost no idea what kind of impact he is having. It seems he's well-spoken, so I guess that's good. He does seem pretty vocal at time. He's a great role model - a great do-gooder in the community. Can he motivate the team in the dressing room? No clue.

Wasn't he the same guy that captained a rebuilding team to the second round of the playoffs?

With that being said, I do agree that the team lacks a spine. Gaudreau routinely gets cheap-shotted (this should be covered be the refs) and the team didn't show much physicality after being down 8-0 tonight.
Gone are the days of enforcers, but successful playoff teams are still gritty.

Tkachuk looks like a great future captain, but let's not pull an Oilers and make a 20 year old captain. That's just silly and stupid (like everything else the Oilers tend to do).

Well Colorado ( Landeskog) , Detroit ( Yzerman) , Senators ( alfredsson), Blackhawks ( Toews), lightning ( Cavalier ) Penguins ( Crosby) ....

There are literally dozens of more examples of making a young guy Captain after a year or 2 in the league. Those captains lasted ten years plus in most some up to 20.

Its a fair question to ask if its time for a change. Would not be the First team to switch captaincy in the year.

If you have a player young that shows he could lead a team you do it. It will be there team for a much longer period than the current captian. There are alot of young guys named captian that grow into leading there team to a cup or two in the matter of just 4 to 5 years.

Personally I think Matt would be a better Captain. He is more straightforward in his interviews than Gio and I think he plays on par if not better than Gio. He drags the team into the dirty areas and into scrums.

I think this team needs a Captian who is going to be the one to drag his team into the fight, into the dirty areas and is a little of his rocker during the games. I think Gio is a great player but I don't think his demnor is going to cut it with this core. He plays hard and is very talented but when you go to war you want the best warrior leading you not the most level headed.

[kukkudo]

I think Gio has been fine, but if the Flames do miss the playoffs this year a culture change needs to happen. If its to trade him or name a new captain I'm all for it.

[Geeoff]

With the Flames dreadful home record last year and this embarrassing loss, when does Harvey the Hound start being held accountable. All of these home embarrassments happened under his encouragement

[Resolute 14]

And here come the terrible, reactionary threads.

[Monahammer]

I mentioned this in the PGT too. Honest question but what do people think makes Gio ab exemplary or good captain? I cant point out anything that really does to be honest.

Much of our team failure over the last few seasons is organizational. Poor coaching, poor management decisions... but at some point we have to start looking internally. Team leadership is supposed to be there to support and motivate the troops. I have not seen a truly motivated flames team in 3 seasons.

I think Gio needs to step down as captain. It is the honorable thing to do.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Hey, Gio is a great D-man and an even better person but I truly believe this group needs a captain with more fire. from the non response of the treatment of Gaudreau to tonight's embarrassing loss without even a punishing hit it shows me there's a problem. This team is gutless and has been since Iggy left

I think of Bostons embarrassing opening night 7-0 loss in Washington, Love him or hate him Brad Marchand sent a message to his team that he hates to loose and basically attacked Lars Eller for show boating and running up the score. His Boston teammates got the message, they have one loss since (to us no less)

I think Gio needs to step up or step out.

I think this is reaching which is understandable. There are some issues that can and should be addressed through coaching. Gio can yell at the guys, or call out certain players, but at the end of the day the coach has to have them ready to play. What do you want your captain to do these guys are professionals. The Captain's job is to lead by example on and off the ice, and there is only so much he can do in the dressing room when the team is unexpectedly falling apart. Was anyone questioning Gio's leadership when the team won 5 straight. Every team is going to have some adversity, but now comes the part of the job where coaches bear down and work on details.

[Classic_Sniper]

Gio is a fantastic captain. No one works harder than him every game and no one on this team leads by example better than him. He's a solid in all 3 zones, rarely makes a mistake and is great dude off the ice as well. We need to find a way to clone Gio so we can have another 5 more on the ice.

People overrate what a captain is in this league. These NHL players tend to march on their own beat and play for ice time. They don't care who's captain. Most of these guys in the NHL were captains on previous teams in junior, midget, college or wherever else. They all come with a background of leadership some way or another. They don't need to be told what to do by another player.

As long as we don't have some selfish guy who only cares about himself wearing the 'C.' That's only time I would look at changing the captaincy. Guys who you don't want to play with who represent the team. Guys who are selfish on and off the ice, who don't care for backchecking and who are only concerned with getting their points over wins. As long as a guy like that isn't leading this team, I'm good.

[djsFlames]

2 game skids happen..to even top teams.

Going to be a long season if we're calling people into question every time they drop two back to back lol.. Giordano isn't part of the problem.

Try to see some of the forest over the trees.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I mentioned this in the PGT too. Honest question but what do people think makes Gio ab exemplary or good captain? I cant point out anything that really does to be honest.

Much of our team failure over the last few seasons is organizational. Poor coaching, poor management decisions... but at some point we have to start looking internally. Team leadership is supposed to be there to support and motivate the troops. I have not seen a truly motivated flames team in 3 seasons.

I think Gio needs to step down as captain. It is the honorable thing to do.

Can’t name anything he does to deserve being the captain? You zone out for the last 5 seasons or something?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Can’t name anything he does to deserve being the captain? You zone out for the last 5 seasons or something?

I didn't say deserves to be captain, I asked what makes him stand out as a good captain? Hes a good player, effort is consistent on his part. He has utterly failed to hold the young guys responsible and embide them with pride in the team and game. He certainly has not helped to curve any of their partying habits around town.
I've been here for the last 5 seasons... one success and 4 failures. Gio at this point has the potential to be one of the most-losing captains in franchise history.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

The Captain's job is to lead by example on and off the ice, and there is only so much he can do in the dressing room when the team is unexpectedly falling apart.

Is that really all a captain is? That may describe the Flames' captain, but I've certainly seen captains that do a whole hell of a lot more. Iginla, for example, would drop the gloves when things weren't going well. He'd also hit everything in sight. Didn't see much of that last night. The captain is the only consistent leader this team has had in six seasons, and from the looks of things, this team performs better under a vocal hard-nosed task master like Hartley than a player-friendly strategist like Gulutzan. So that suggests that there's a leadership vacuum that has been left behind that Giordano isn't stepping in to fill. Instead, i suspect Giordano his the band leader of the coach killing contingent. This is only a suspicion, but we're now on our third coach with the same captain. Doesn't exactly scream "buy in" to me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Is that really all a captain is? That may describe the Flames' captain, but I've certainly seen captains that do a whole hell of a lot more. Iginla, for example, would drop the gloves when things weren't going well. He'd also hit everything in sight. Didn't see much of that last night. The captain is the only consistent leader this team has had in six seasons, and from the looks of things, this team performs better under a vocal hard-nosed task master like Hartley than a player-friendly strategist like Gulutzan. So that suggests that there's a leadership vacuum that has been left behind that Giordano isn't stepping in to fill. Instead, i suspect Giordano his the band leader of the coach killing contingent. This is only a suspicion, but we're now on our third coach with the same captain. Doesn't exactly scream "buy in" to me.

Iginla led teams only advanced past the first round once. So if success is how we are evaluating captains - how much better was he than Gio.

For what it is worth I think both are/were excellent captains. Just pointing out the gaps in the argument.



Gio brings it every night. There is no evidence that he is part of a coach killing brigade

[Bunk]

I said this early in the year that there is a mental weakness to this core group that manifests itself in the habits and patterns that keep bubbling to the surface - Somewhere amongst Gio, Brodie, Gaudreau, Backlund and Monahan (the common core over the past 5-6 years), something is not quite working.