Has your company's drug use policy changed since legalization?

[Matata]

The trick is to show up stoned every day, that way it doesn't seem unusual.

[undercoverbrother]

The CPS policy is crazy.

If you are fit for work and not impaired to do your job then what you legally do on your own time shouldn't come up.

My company has taken the same approach as booze.

I specifically asked about client functions, and the response was the same, you are expected to be able to maintain a level of professionalism at functions.

my take away pot is fine, just like booze unless you are an embarrassment, then it isn't.

[Parallex]

It's been a loooooooooooong time since I last partook so I didn't really give it much of a look. An e-mail was sent out basically saying "don't be high at work" which I then mentally filled under D for "Duh".

[DownhillGoat]

No change.

Tested for metabolites so that means one can't imbibe for anywhere between 3 days and 6 months prior to a test.

Oh and they're pushing for random testing.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Our company is treating it essentially the same as alcohol. Fit for duty, no partaking during business hours, not allowed on company premises and our policy is superceded by a client's policy when working on their sites.

And as a manager I am currently taking a mandatory online training course on cannabis as well. How to recognize use, it's effects, our legal responsibilities under the new legistlation etc.

I can see how this is going to go already.

"Would you like a Dorito? No...just one! The whole bag? Okay. Why dont you go have a seat over there...."

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The CPS policy is crazy.

If you are fit for work and not impaired to do your job then what you legally do on your own time shouldn't come up.

My company has taken the same approach as booze.

I specifically asked about client functions, and the response was the same, you are expected to be able to maintain a level of professionalism at functions.

my take away pot is fine, just like booze unless you are an embarrassment, then it isn't.

It's not. It's butt-covering, like pretty much all the other 'safety sensitive' blanket bans are. Most likely from a liability point of view of the corporation/entity.

Since right now it's very difficult to accurately measure impairment over time taken since ingestion, I can see it being a legal nightmare for cops (and pilots, or pretty a lot of businesses) where if "Something happens", like, say...a cop has to shoot a bad guy, and there's an investigation. What happens if an "impaired" level of THC shows up in the cops blood? But he smoked 3 days ago. He's not impaired, technically, but there's no way to PROVE that right now. That's just the first scenario that pops to mind.

Like every other place with a current blanket ban, I imagine that they'll be looking at ways to figure this out, and when they have them, rolling the ban back. Right now, the ban is a smart policy of CYA for all involved, until more information can be gathered.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DownhillGoat

No change.

Tested for metabolites so that means one can't imbibe for anywhere between 3 days and 6 months prior to a test.

Oh and they're pushing for random testing.

stupid

out of interest what is the general rule for the body to metabolize (not the correct word) pot. So how long until it no longer affects the body/mind.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

It's not. It's butt-covering, like pretty much all the other 'safety sensitive' blanket bans are. Most likely from a liability point of view of the corporation/entity.

Since right now it's very difficult to accurately measure impairment over time taken since ingestion, I can see it being a legal nightmare for cops (and pilots, or pretty a lot of businesses) where if "Something happens", like, say...a cop has to shoot a bad guy, and there's an investigation. What happens if an "impaired" level of THC shows up in the cops blood? But he smoked 3 days ago. He's not impaired, technically, but there's no way to PROVE that right now. That's just the first scenario that pops to mind.

Like every other place with a current blanket ban, I imagine that they'll be looking at ways to figure this out, and when they have them, rolling the ban back. Right now, the ban is a smart policy of CYA for all involved, until more information can be gathered.

This didn't just pop up yesterday, the CPS had time to see this coming and take a more measured response.

I am going from memory but the policies across Canada with police and pot use is all over the map.

I think the CPS missed a chance to show themselves as a forward looking/thinking department.

Just my opinion.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

out of interest what is the general rule for the body to metabolize (not the correct word) pot. So how long until it no longer affects the body/mind.

Not 6 months, that's for sure.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

This didn't just pop up yesterday, the CPS had time to see this coming and take a more measured response.

I am going from memory but the policies across Canada with police and pot use is all over the map.

I think the CPS missed a chance to show themselves as a forward looking/thinking department.

Just my opinion.

True, but they still don't have any good way to test impairment over usage time. I know that the policies of the PD's are all over the map, and I'm really wondering if that's going to bite some of the more lax ones (or their officers) in the butt.

[PaperBagger'14]

Slight change to ours, safety sensitive people is a 0 tolerance and only a pee test is administered. Non safety sensitive is a pee test and mouth swab for recency of use.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Locke

I can see how this is going to go already.

"Would you like a Dorito? No...just one! The whole bag? Okay. Why dont you go have a seat over there...."

Pretty much

[wookster]

Ours is standard. "Fit for work", there is drug testing with a table defining what "trace amounts" are allowed in your system if you are tested. Alcohol is permitted at certain company functions like before (ie: xmas party, dinner meetings etc.) using the same guidelines as before. Pot is not permitted at any company function, inside or outside of normal working hours.

[Locke]

The real victims in all of this are clearly the employees a the 'Old Dutch' factory.

"Productivity is down and the product is, well, just gone!"

Alright! No more free chips for the employees and no more weed breaks!

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Locke

The real victims in all of this are clearly the employees a the 'Old Dutch' factory.

"Productivity is down and the product is, well, just gone!"

Alright! No more free chips for the employees and no more weed breaks!

Funny story I've heard through a friend...

They keep all mis-packaged goods and let employees take them home.

I sense some self sabotage (holy alliteration batman) in the hazy future.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can't imagine anything more awful than being baked at a work social event. Especially the Christmas party.

Anyone who thinks pot is going to become as socially normalized as alcohol is dreaming. People drink in social situations to relax and become more outgoing. It's easier to chat with someone from payroll in a buffet line if you have a couple drinks in you. For most people, pot has the opposite effect - it makes them self-conscious and anxious in public. They aren't going to start smoking dope at company events, kids birthdays parties, or anywhere else they're socializing with groups of people they don't know well.

That says a lot more about you than it does about cannabis or people who consume (whatever method they choose) in general.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with you -- I personally would not get baked at a social work event... but I don't get baked outside of the house *period*. I want to be at home because that's where I feel I can best enjoy it. I have friends that probably don't leave their houses without a toke and I can barely tell the difference in their behavior. They'd probably have a different opinion than both of us.

[DoubleK]

Has a level for sobriety/intoxication been established? For booze it's .08, is there a thing for cannabis/pot/weed/cbd, etc?

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Has a level for sobriety/intoxication been established? For booze it's .08, is there a thing for cannabis/pot/weed/cbd, etc?

Found this. It would seem to indicate different thresholds depending on whether alcohol was also present. Which seems logical.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/s...cfa/index.html

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I can't imagine anything more awful than being baked at a work social event. Especially the Christmas party.

Anyone who thinks pot is going to become as socially normalized as alcohol is dreaming. People drink in social situations to relax and become more outgoing. It's easier to chat with someone from payroll in a buffet line if you have a couple drinks in you. For most people, pot has the opposite effect - it makes them self-conscious and anxious in public. They aren't going to start smoking dope at company events, kids birthdays parties, or anywhere else they're socializing with groups of people they don't know well.

I think it will become normalized over time, and you and many others will likely be surprised at how many people partake as they become less hesitant to come out from the shadows. It's funny you say people drink to become more relaxed - this is exactly the same reason many smoke cannabis, so the right strain with the right person can help someone relax and enjoy social situations in ways they may not be able to do whilst sober.

In my group, we have a banker, engineer, gov't employees, realtor, business owners, and other professionals that regularly use cannabis and very frequently in social situations. The people that get self conscious and anxious in public with it are typically inexperienced users and likely haven't been using the right strain. Now that it's legal, I think everyone with an interest is going to become better versed at how the different strains work, and what affect they have on an individual, which will mitigate some of the concerns you raised about being uncomfortable in social situations.

For the people I hang out with, cannabis is - without a doubt - a positive addition to a social situation.

[Sliver]

Another thing on the "anxious in public" thing - which I'm not belittling as that's the worst - it's often a function of dosage. It's like saying alcohol shouldn't be popular because if you have too much you'll be a disaster. They're both intoxicants and the more/stronger you have, the more messed you'll be.

A buzz can be pleasant/fun/inspiring/etc., or it can be the worst. That's the same for alcohol or any drug, really. And that's another positive with legalization - getting consistent, measurable doses. Imagine if you had been buying black market alcohol your whole life - sometimes you get 5% beer, and sometimes you get 80-proof vodka - and then a liquor store opened up where you could buy exactly what you wanted in dosages so precise you didn't even know possible. Like, if I have a bottle of beer, I'll be fine. If I had a bottle of vodka, I'd be hating life. That's just what happened with weed. As people learn how the dosages and percentage of THC, CBD and how the strains work, we'll be able to achieve a fairly predictable buzz.