[PGT] Flames lose 3-2 in Montreal

[JT96912]

I think Hamonic cannot get back fast enough. A shake up with our D pairings will have to be a positive over what's happening now. Ryan should be in the press box for a bit, I think he should be the odd man out right now. I am of the opinion to NOT break up Johny/Mony. Sam is being hamstrung right now by Neal'sack of production, would love to see him move up and play with Chucky.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by TFF

Sit Ryan... and separate Johnny/Monahan for a few

Gaudreau Lindholm Tkachuk
Bennett Backlund Neal
Czarnik Monahan Frolik
Same 4th line

C’mon guys. One bad game and we’re gonna split up the 3 most productive duo the last 3 years? Losing sucks. Losing when playing like crap sucks worse, but it’s one game.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm not arguing that Brodie has been anything better than slightly-above-average in general, and that his (terrible) mistakes often seem to overshadow his otherwise steady play.

I'm arguing that Hanifin is much, much worse and should sit first.

I have no idea what you have been watching.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have no idea what you have been watching.

I said that Brodie has been slightly-above-average, and that he makes colossal mistakes that cloud people's impressions of him. The Flames are net positive in shot production with him on the ice, a marked change from previous years.

Hanifin, on the other hand, looks his age. As I said, he looks "bad Brodie-level-bad." He looks consistently as shaky as Brodie looks when he makes the aforementioned infrequent mistakes -- AKA "Bad Brodie." Hanifin clearly misses Hamonic dearly. Look at the numbers -- the Flames are at their absolute worst when he's on the ice. His shot production metrics are by far the worst on the team. He's been heavily sheltered his whole career and is being thrown into really hard minutes -- him adjusting poorly was inevitable

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

C’mon guys. One bad game and we’re gonna split up the 3 most productive duo the last 3 years? Losing sucks. Losing when playing like crap sucks worse, but it’s one game.

Had to work and didn't see the game was hoping someone would summarize but everyone seems so serious.... Lots of time we are going to lose some!

[Torchdemall]

Both the flames and the refs had a bad night. Maybe they were all probably worn out from extra curricular activities the night before...

Wanted to see more from the team for Rittichs crazy first period, can’t waste those kind of efforts guys! PP can be improved in a number of ways but the start of it should be entering with some speed and following that with some hustle urgency and faster passing.


Oh well move on and do better in the next one!

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by JT96912

I think Hamonic cannot get back fast enough. A shake up with our D pairings will have to be a positive over what's happening now. Ryan should be in the press box for a bit, I think he should be the odd man out right now. I am of the opinion to NOT break up Johny/Mony. Sam is being hamstrung right now by Neal'sack of production, would love to see him move up and play with Chucky.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I said that Brodie has been slightly-above-average, and that he makes colossal mistakes that cloud people's impressions of him. The Flames are net positive in shot production with him on the ice, a marked change from previous years.

Hanifin, on the other hand, looks his age. As I said, he looks "bad Brodie-level-bad." He looks consistently as shaky as Brodie looks when he makes the aforementioned infrequent mistakes -- AKA "Bad Brodie." Hanifin clearly misses Hamonic dearly. Look at the numbers -- the Flames are at their absolute worst when he's on the ice. His shot production metrics are by far the worst on the team. He's been heavily sheltered his whole career and is being thrown into really hard minutes -- him adjusting poorly was inevitable

Ah. I agree if you are saying Brodie, at his best, is slightly above average compared to the rest of the Calgary D.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I said that Brodie has been slightly-above-average, and that he makes colossal mistakes that cloud people's impressions of him. The Flames are net positive in shot production with him on the ice, a marked change from previous years.

Hanifin, on the other hand, looks his age. As I said, he looks "bad Brodie-level-bad." He looks consistently as shaky as Brodie looks when he makes the aforementioned infrequent mistakes -- AKA "Bad Brodie." Hanifin clearly misses Hamonic dearly. Look at the numbers -- the Flames are at their absolute worst when he's on the ice. His shot production metrics are by far the worst on the team. He's been heavily sheltered his whole career and is being thrown into really hard minutes -- him adjusting poorly was inevitable

Dont disagree with everything, but Gio ssys Hi here

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Ah. I agree if you are saying Brodie, at his best, is slightly above average compared to the rest of the Calgary D.

He's been fine, and that's about it. I think the Flames could benefit from an improvement in that position -- and thankfully, they have one in the wings named Travis Hamonic. The stability he provides to the Flames' RD can't be overstated.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Had to work and didn't see the game was hoping someone would summarize but everyone seems so serious.... Lots of time we are going to lose some!

Horrid puck decisions , bad discipline, extremely poor defensive play along with excellent goaltending, to keep it concise.

The latter element kept the game close.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

He's been fine, and that's about it. I think the Flames could benefit from an improvement in that position -- and thankfully, they have one in the wings named Travis Hamonic. The stability he provides to the Flames' RD can't be overstated.

I’d be fine with him as a bottom pair d. But he plays top two minutes. and he is not “fine” for that role. and that is why this team is forever middling.

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

Looked like everyone had money that they would lose but forgot to tell Riddich. I cant get over just how bad they played and how awful the refs were. The head shot in the first, the 2 slew foots early in the first, the Johny hit, something should have been called on the bonehead Domi play post buzzer, etc.

Missed the last 3 minutes, what did Domi do after the buzzer?

[1qqaaz]

I like the adjustment after the 2nd period. The Flames came out a lot better in the third.
These kinds of adjustments were rare last year, so that's a positive.

Tkachuk and Backlund played well. That line was pretty solid.
Rittich was great again. He could be a huge positive for the team, because at the end of the day, goaltending is the biggest question mark.

Hanafin and Andersson struggled (although Andersson finished +2, so that's weird). Once again, the refs were quite iffy. Not sure about the powerplay.

Hamonic can't come back soon enough.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Missed the last 3 minutes, what did Domi do after the buzzer?

Hit Anderson at the buzzer when Rasmus was casually skating back to get the puck. Then had a #### eating grin on his face laughing about it as the refs separated the two.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe this game slows down the cry to sell the farm for a new goalie. Not that I’m saying Rittich is the answer, but until you learn to play something resembling a sound defensive game there’s really no point.

The team has been up and down so no reason to panic. The last 41 minutes of the Colorado game show how this team can play. But good teams can do that consistently and don’t fail to even show up on the bad nights. So Flames still not a good team yet.

Scorp is right. Hanifin was bad tonight and hasn’t been great to start the year but he is a player who you know is going to get better. His contract would certainly say so.

Neal has had no positive impact on this team through 9 games. I doubt the wheels have fallen off already for him so no reason to panic. But when you sign a UFA to their retirement contract you better be prepared for some serious risk.

I don’t hate on Brodie as much as some. His bad plays are truly awful and seem to end up in the back of the net a lot, but he has sandwiches those gaffes with some good hockey this year too.

But to me the story of the season is the top line losing the 5 on 5 battle so far. Flames going nowhere if that continues.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

[transplant99]

Not sure i have seen an entire hockey team go through an entire hockey game and collectively think the game as poorly as they did....aas a group.

It was just weird how they would get out of synch all at once and then stay that way for stretches.

And I agree....Brodie? Yeesh.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Brodie had a good game?

If one has the capacity to look past the Drouin dive that put him in the penalty box, it was very much a good game.

- Moved the puck cleanly all night, zero giveaways

- controlled the front of the net

- logged 2:39 PK time without a PPGA,

- Led the team with an off-the-charts 87.50% expected goals percentage

Neal was good?

No, but he was also not bad. There's a difference. He's getting Troy Brouwer comparisions... Troy Brouwer was flat out bad. Neal has been more snakebitten than anything. He directed five unblocked shot attempts past the Habs D (led the FLames) and did plenty right.

Hanafin gives the Flames the “best chance to win”?

Hanifin is still the third best D-man on this team. Pressboxing him is idiotic. So yes, he gives us the best chance to win.

Bennett back to centre?

The musical chairs at 3C is not getting us anywhere. The two-way play Bennett gave us at center in 2016-17 through to playoffs was better than anything the other three guys (Dube, Ryan, Jankowski) have shown at any point in their careers. If Bennett had a right winger that year instead of Troy Brouwer/Alex Chiasson this wouldn't even be a topic of discussion. He's the best choice as the 3C and allows a guy like Dube to slide in on the wing with less responsibility.

[3rd liner]

To make matters worse the oilers are currently leading the pens and alex chiasson has 2 goals- when did he get on the oilers? Christ.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Three things that make no sense:

1) Derek Ryan on third line
2) Derek Ryan with 3 minutes of PP time
3) Derek Ryan contract

Most of the team struggled tonight.

Rittich, Bennett, Backlund and a few others were good but overall we were sloppy and making passes to players that instantly had a guy on them.

Bad team play ultimately cost us again..


But yea I agree with you and felt unsure about Ryan from the get go.

I knew nothing about him so was willing to wait and see but so far I'm not a fan.

It's becoming obvious to me the only reason he got around 40pts is because, as Canes fans warned, Peters likes to overplay him.

He should be a 4th line face off specialist who plays on the PK.

Instead he's been playing mostly with Neal and getting plumb PP time.

Bennett and/or Andersson would be better choices on PP2.

As much as I love Treliving I have always been a bit weary of his work in Free Agency.

Raymond, Brouwer, Engelland and Ryan I hated all of them instantly..

I changed my mind fairly quickly with Engelland but the rest were either a hinderance to the organization or in Ryan's case, to be fair it's too early to tell but it's not looking great so far.

Neal I'm willing to give more time because I at least notice him out there using his size and overall skill. He's still struggling to turn that into anything useful offensively but I think the biggest issue is finding the right guy up the middle for him and Bennett, that guy isn't Ryan IMO.

I don't know where he fits in the lineup outside of being strong in FO's.

Defiantly disappointed with the early returns on that contract.