[PGT] Flames 5 Bruins 2

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Locke

And I totally agree....if the puck is somewhere dangerous.

In this instance it is not.

As a player, if you don't make a physical play there after being beat a few seconds earlier and Johnny picks up the puck and scores, you're going to hear about it and might not play again that night. Contact sports result in contact plays. This was not dirty.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well....its really late. The puck isnt even in the frame.

Timing your hits is part of hitting and if you're late its a penalty.

Yeah. Interference. Which was the call on the ice. And which nobody is arguing.

Some of us don't see a suspendable play.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Do you think any NHL defensemen is looking for the puck when the other team's best player is alone at the doorstep and looking in his own skates for his rebound?

Well...they're Professionals and they should be.

You cant just clock a guy because hes in front of your net without knowing whether he has the puck or not.

Focus should be on the puck.

[Regorium]

Glad I'm not the only one that didn't see anything particularly dirty on that play.

It's a 2 minute penalty, nothing more. Probably nothing if it's playoff time (that's another rant all together).

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

It was also a hit with the principle point of contact being the head which is exactly what they are trying to get out of the game. In my opinion this is a worse hit than the one on Petterson. If that was worth a suspension, than so is this.

Come on man, that was not worse than Petterson, that is just silly to say. You have to take the Flames fan bias out of the situation when you're evaluating it.

McAvoy made every attempt to hit him square in the chest first and foremost. If Johnny was a little taller this is a complete non-issue. If you're suspending the guy because of this hit, contact might as well just be removed from the game imho.

[Galakanokis]

I don't really have an issue with McAvoy's hit on Johnny, it's what I want my defensemen to do with a player around the net. Sucks he got hit in the head but that is more size disparity than anything. If Giordano did that to Marchaund we would all be whooping and high 5ing. Simple bias at play here.

Great game though. Love the speed at which this team plays and I really love the quick turnarounds on turnovers. So much more fun to watch fast paced hockey than whatever we had last year.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

As a player, if you don't make a physical play there after being beat a few seconds earlier and Johnny picks up the puck and scores, you're going to hear about it and might not play again that night. Contact sports result in contact plays. This was not dirty.

I'm not saying it was dirty or anything like that, but it wasnt a good hit.

The puck was gone, the defender wasnt defending anything. It was late.

Thats it. I'm saying that he was headhunting or anything like that, but it wasnt a good hockey play.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Locke

Well...they're Professionals and they should be.

You cant just clock a guy because hes in front of your net without knowing whether he has the puck or not.

Focus should be on the puck.

That's not how you play defense. You play the man. Johnny looks like he might have the puck. Hit him. If he doesn't, kill the penalty.

All in the game.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Good game last night. The line that impressed me the most was the Bennett-Jankowski-Neal line. In limited appearances they generated some good offensive opportunities. I like the mix on that line and think they could be quite dangerous once they get more comfortable with each other. Andersson and Valimaki continue to impress. Still not a fan of Ryan and have no idea why he's anywhere near the PP. The hit on Gaudreau was a hockey play and not dirty. Hope Johnny Hockey is okay. I think it was just the concussion protocol being enforced that took him out of the lineup and not a possible injury.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No he doesn't. At the follow through, McAvoy's elbow is on Johnny's left shoulder.

It can't be both there and following through at the head.

Yes, he does. The reason it isn't at Johnny's head at the end is because Johnny was already falling away. I can't see how you look at those two clips and don't see an elbow.

The NHL doesn't need it to be the point of the elbow - the general area is good enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CdNuUfvF2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9hqaqxFlvI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJhDLtwotc

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Jankowski looked rough, but what was up with James Neal? He botched that 5 on 3 by himself basically. 3 great chances, 3 whiffs.

Its early, so I'm not panicking or anything but he's starting to draw my concern.

Those chances were tough ones to take for Neal. It looks bad because the net is so open on some of those, but I can't fault him for not teeing them up when the pass is so far from him.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That's not how you play defense. You play the man. Johnny looks like he might have the puck. Hit him. If he doesn't, kill the penalty.

All in the game.

Well I think we've identified where we differ.

Johnny very clearly didnt have the puck. It was 10 feet away. Not even remotely close.

And you know what else? This is exactly the type of scenario where an ill-timed hit throws an opponent into your goaltender and causes injury.

It was a bad, late hit. Hardly dirty, but it shouldnt have happened.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That's not how you play defense. You play the man. Johnny looks like he might have the puck. Hit him. If he doesn't, kill the penalty.

All in the game.

He doesn't look like he has the puck. He's spinning around and the puck has crossed in front of McAvoy to the corner.

[Tron_fdc]

If the league is serious about removing head shots, concussions and injuries from hitting then you have to suspend Mcavoy for that hit. Players need to change their thinking here.

D man gets burned, gets upset, then runs at Gaudreau. Puck is already gone by that point, but he decides to send a message and drill him anyway with a head shot. That is not bodychecking. That's him trying to intimidate Gaudreau for a) burning him and b) going to the net

Size difference is irrelevant. That hit shouldn't have been attempted in the first place, because IMO it's an attempt to injure with no regard for the puck, which was clearly gone.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not saying it was dirty or anything like that, but it wasnt a good hit.

The puck was gone, the defender wasnt defending anything. It was late.

Thats it. I'm saying that he was headhunting or anything like that, but it wasnt a good hockey play.

These things happen when men are playing at full speed, against good players, sometimes several times a game. If Johnny was even average sized he probably bounces off that hit like nothing happened. If MacAvoy doesn't play physical in that situation he's likely not playing the next shift after getting burnt.

Burke was saying something to this effect today on the morning show too and I completely agree. We better all be careful about pumping tires on suspensions for things like this that are clearly not at all malicious. It leads down a road of zero contact in the game that I don't think any fan want's to see.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yes, he does. The reason it isn't at Johnny's head at the end is because Johnny was already falling away. I can't see how you look at those two clips and don't see an elbow.

The NHL doesn't need it to be the point of the elbow - the general area is good enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CdNuUfvF2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9hqaqxFlvI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJhDLtwotc

I'm going almost entirely off the Gif SureLoss posted. Johnny's face impacts somewhere between McAvoy's #73 and his shoulder yoke.

Neither of those are on his elbow.

Unless you are arguing a second hit to the head, Gaudreau doesn't get elbowed.

He does get hit in the head, but it happens in a manner that appears to not violate rule 48.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

These things happen when men are playing at full speed, against good players, sometimes several times a game. If Johnny was even average sized he probably bounces off that hit like nothing happened. If MacAvoy doesn't play physical in that situation he's likely not playing the next shift after getting burnt.

Burke was saying something to this effect today on the morning show too and I completely agree. We better all be careful about pumping tires on suspensions for things like this that are clearly not at all malicious. It leads down a road of zero contact in the game that I don't think any fan want's to see.

I can't say I agree with either of these. A 208 pound guy hits anyone while they are off balance, in the head, they get hurt. And while neither of us are in McAvoy's head, the presumption is that you intend to do what you did.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

If the league is serious about removing head shots, concussions and injuries from hitting then you have to suspend Mcavoy for that hit. Players need to change their thinking here.

D man gets burned, gets upset, then runs at Gaudreau. Puck is already gone by that point, but he decides to send a message and drill him anyway with a head shot. That is not bodychecking. That's him trying to intimidate Gaudreau for a) burning him and b) going to the net

Size difference is irrelevant. That hit shouldn't have been attempted in the first place, because IMO it's an attempt to injure.

I think your bang on with this post. It looks like a head shot. it doesn't matter whether it was an elbow or a shoulder, the contact point was Johnny's head. Johnny's size shouldn't be enough reason to defend this hit to head. Cleary it was a late hit and he had ample time to let up after the puck was gone.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'm going almost entirely off the Gif SureLoss posted. Johnny's face impacts somewhere between McAvoy's #73 and his shoulder yoke.

Neither of those are on his elbow.

Unless you are arguing a second hit to the head, Gaudreau doesn't get elbowed.

He does get hit in the head, but it happens in a manner that appears to not violate rule 48.

A. You are being overly picky about "elbow", much more than the DPS.
B. I'm arguing one hit with a fiollow through that involved what the NHL sees as the elbow.
C. Even a shoulder hit with the principal contact being the head is suspension worthy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not saying it was dirty or anything like that, but it wasnt a good hit.

The puck was gone, the defender wasnt defending anything. It was late.

Yeah, it was a late and thus a penalty... but it's a pretty standard hockey play to clear a guy out of the front of your net after a chance. You don't hear a whistle, so you're supposed to assume the puck is loose, and if your guy is behind the net he can't get that loose puck and score, or whack at your goalie's glove / pads to try to get a garbage goal. We saw Clutterbuck do that in another game tonight (overturned on review). WE can see where the puck squirted loose to, but it's not clear to me that McAvoy knows where it is. You can argue he should have let up a bit, but the move itself had a reasonable purpose to it; you can't just let an opposing player stand there. And it's pretty hard to draw the line on just how hard you're allowed to shove a guy away from the front of your net.