Sam Bennett Value: Have the Flames held on TOO long? OR is he awesome? - Page 79 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

SportsJunky · 10-15-2018, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://theathletic.com/590303/2018/...top-nine-role/

Darren Haynes with a great article about Bennett today in the Athletic.

Just wanted to urge people to read the article linked above if they can. Haynes did a ton of work breaking down video of all 60 shifts for Bennett over the last three games on the road. Really positive stuff.

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a priority for Peters and the rest of the Flames staff is to help Bennett keep this current level of confidence in his game. Because with the other weapons at forward the team has added — Neal, Lindholm, Ryan, Austin Czarnik — Bennett contributing meaningful minutes in a top-nine role, would be found money.
And when a team can find an unexpected positive on their roster, the odds increase that you will also find yourself in a playoff spot.

The Boy Wonder · 10-15-2018, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Just wanted to urge people to read the article linked above if they can. Haynes did a ton of work breaking down video of all 60 shifts for Bennett over the last three games on the road. Really positive stuff.

Actually a really really good article.

It does a good job of laying out facts with video...

and It really gives a good summary of the eye-test that I've seen bennett passing with flying colours so far this year.

Macindoc · 10-15-2018, 08:26 PM

Well, in response to the original question, yes, the Flames have held on too long, because now Bennett looks to valuable to trade away as part of a package for an unsigned RFA winger or a pending UFA goaltender.

red sky · 10-15-2018, 08:33 PM

Consistency has always been Bennett's issue. Even during his rookie season his scoring came in bunches. I am going to avoid such proclamations like the above until he can play this way for majority of games.

Macindoc · 10-15-2018, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by red sky

Consistency has always been Bennett's issue. Even during his rookie season his scoring came in bunches. I am going to avoid such proclamations like the above until he can play this way for majority of games.

This not a proclamation of anything other than the fact that his potential is worth more than some rental or unknown commodity. Many CP posters were calling for him to be traded for the first 2nd round offer that came around, or to package him up with a prospect and a 1st round pick for a pending UFA goalie. Nobody is saying he's going to take Monahan's place as 1st line C.

Yes, he needs to develop consistency. In other words, he's a young player. Put him in a position to succeed, and I think he will surprise many.

SeanCharles · 10-15-2018, 10:38 PM

The thing I always found laughable is that some would say trade Bennett and have Mangiapane replace him in the lineup..

Bennett is younger than Mangiapane and given his draft pedigree I think Bennett will only get better as his confidence builds.

I think there is a lot of truth to the fact that GG wouldn't mix up the lineup much, if he did it didn't always make sense, and as a result it wasn't conducive for positive team results..

Frolik gets hurt and he plays Brouwer with Backlund and Tkachuk instead of a more deserving player. Frolik comes back and struggles, he keeps him up on line 2 regardless, even after a lot of games of ineffectiveness. Brodie and Hamonic suck together and he keeps it a thing all season long. Tkachuk and Hamilton not on the top PP for ages..

This year Peters is fostering a setup where you earn your icetime and it will work wonders for a player like Bennett.

pepper24 · 10-16-2018, 09:39 AM

If Bennett trade rumor from Elliot Friedman included Montreal I wonder if Galchenyuk was ever in play. Past 30 goal scorer with career high of 56 points. Surprised he was eventually traded for only Max Domi, 1-on-1 trade. Maybe Bennett was another option they were looking at.

Bingo · 10-16-2018, 09:52 AM

Also keep in mind the sample size isn't three games.

He's been generating more with less for the better part of a calendar year as was discussed the entire summer.

Tron_fdc · 10-16-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by burn_this_city

https://theathletic.com/590303/2018/...top-nine-role/

Darren Haynes with a great article about Bennett today in the Athletic.

Quoted just to let people know that the Athletic is worth every penny, and if you don't have a subscription you should get one.

Amazing resource.

icecube · 10-16-2018, 10:00 AM

We should start a Glen Gulutzan hate thread. I personally believe it should be longer than the Edmonton is no good thread. What a terrible coach.

SuperMatt18 · 10-16-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by red sky

Consistency has always been Bennett's issue. Even during his rookie season his scoring came in bunches. I am going to avoid such proclamations like the above until he can play this way for majority of games.

It's funny because I feel like he started to turn this around last year...he just didn't get the results.

I took a look at Bennett's individual 5V5 performance from last season in 10 game chunks:

Last year Bennett had a really bad first 10 games across all metrics. Then kinda had a better second 10 games but still not great.

Game 1-10:
Scoring Chances For (SCF) - 8 (Team Rank - 12th)
High Danger Corsi For (HDCF) - 4 (Team Rank - 10th)
Goals - 0
Points - 0

Game 11-20
SCF - 18 (6th)
HDCF - 5 (8th)
G-1
P-3

Then he started on his real hot streak for 20 games once the Janko-Bennett-Hathaway line was put together.

Game 21-30
SCF-29 (1st)
HDCF-18 (1st)
G-3
P-8

Game 31-40
SCF-23 (1st)
HDCF-11 (1st)
G-1
P-4

After the hot streak he had a 20 game stretch where he was still generating chances at an okay rate but not quite as good as the previous 20 & the puck stopped going in for him and his line. This aligned with the time when Janko was struggling a bit.

Game 41-50
SCF-17 (4th)
HDCF-5 (6th)
G-1
P-1

Game 51-60
SCF-15 (6th)
HDCF- 6 (7th)
G-1
P-2

However over the last 22 games he really took over from a chance generation perspective, and ran into a lot of bad luck over the last 15 games or so where he was pointless.

Game 61-70
SCF-23 (2nd)
HDCF-12 (2nd)
G-3
P-5

Game 71-82
SCF-31 (1st)
HDCF-14 (1st)
G-0
P-0

I agree that from a 200ft game perspective he looks better to start this season. He's playing with more confidence, he's playing more physical, and is doing a better job staying out of the box but I think the seeds for this breakout were planted last year from game 21 onwards.

Game 21-82
SCF- 138 (1st - 22nd in the whole NHL)
HDCF - 66 (1st - 23rd in the whole NHL)
G - 9 (5th)
P - 20 (4th)

So for me this emergence over the last 5 games is actually more about how he seems to be putting it together more consistently over the last 67 games. Now we just need the goals he scores to actually count and things will be better off.

Shazam · 10-16-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by icecube

We should start a Glen Gulutzan hate thread. I personally believe it should be longer than the Edmonton is no good thread. What a terrible coach.

Save for when he becomes the Oilers' head coach. Bwahaha.

pepper24 · 10-16-2018, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Shazam

Save for when he becomes the Oilers' head coach. Bwahaha.

He's a decent assistant coach. See if Oilers make same mistake as Calgary and Dallas by eventually promoting him again.

Bingo · 10-16-2018, 10:49 AM

I've been suggesting patience with Bennett forever, but I'm not on the blame Gulutzan bandwagon.

The player just took time, and hopefully he's figured it out.

Maybe Peters is a step ahead for seeing the player doing more with less time than Gulutzan recognized last season, but Bennett's confidence issues are more to blame for his rocky road of development than a coach not giving him a chance.

Shazam · 10-16-2018, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper24

He's a decent assistant coach. See if Oilers make same mistake as Calgary and Dallas by eventually promoting him again.

I'm absolutely certain that's why the Oilers hired him.

timbit · 10-16-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

I've been suggesting patience with Bennett forever, but I'm not on the blame Gulutzan bandwagon.

The player just took time, and hopefully he's figured it out.

Maybe Peters is a step ahead for seeing the player doing more with less time than Gulutzan recognized last season, but Bennett's confidence issues are more to blame for his rocky road of development than a coach not giving him a chance.

Bennett appears to be playing a more confident game.

He is slowly building layers of confidence by doing things right, on a more consistent basis. When he makes an error he is not falling off a cliff, as he has built these layers. That’s how he will become tougher, mentally and emotionally.
The coach blowing unwarranted smoke up his ass and giving him undeserved ice time was never going to be the true solution.

His frustration and subsequent negative reactions have substantially dissipated.

Exciting to watch his progress.

GioforPM · 10-16-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by icecube

We should start a Glen Gulutzan hate thread. I personally believe it should be longer than the Edmonton is no good thread. What a terrible coach.

Terrible idea. Not a coach here, not a head coach elsewhere, and a pretty decent guy to boot.

The Peters thread has enough GG hate in it anyway.

Bingo · 10-16-2018, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Bennett appears to be playing a more confident game.

He is slowly building layers of confidence by doing things right, on a more consistent basis. When he makes an error he is not falling off a cliff, as he has built these layers. That’s how he will become tougher, mentally and emotionally.
The coach blowing unwarranted smoke up his ass and giving him undeserved ice time was never going to be the true solution.

His frustration and subsequent negative reactions have substantially dissipated.

Exciting to watch his progress.

An absolute game changer for the Flames if Bennett and Lindholm (hot start) suddenly join Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk in a young forward core.

timbit · 10-16-2018, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

An absolute game changer for the Flames if Bennett and Lindholm (hot start) suddenly join Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk in a young forward core.

Have believed for a long time that the amelioration of current Flames’ young core will determine the Flames contender status, short and long term.

Would add that if a good portion of Dube, Jankowski, Mangiapane, Valimaki, Andersson, Kyllington, Gillies, Parson etc. reach their potential, the Flames are off to the races.

Flash Walken · 10-16-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

An absolute game changer for the Flames if Bennett and Lindholm (hot start) suddenly join Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk in a young forward core.

If Bennett is a 20 goal player this season the flames should finish top 10 in goals which in my mind puts them in division contention.

Just need unspectacular but consistently good goaltending.