I keep seeing people calling this a standard hockey play, yet I haven’t seen anything like this in a long time.
Can those of you who believe this is normal in the NHL (it’s not) please link to videos of similar plays? I will change my mind if presented with evidence that it occurs frequently.
It's a standard play in that a player roughed up another player after a hit or altercation. You just have to look at Neal last game(or the game before, can't remember.) when he had the guy down and was pushing on his head with his stick...hard. Or any time a guy takes a roughing minor from punching a guy in the head after a hit or a cross check during a scrum in front of the net.
These things are all just minor penalties for roughing, and happen pretty much every game. They just don't all get called like the Matheson hit. And they happen alot to rookies.
Well your statement was obviously a little bit ridiculous. None of us know Mathesons’s intentions, therefore to claim that he entered the board battle with an “intent to injure” is certainly eye roll worthy IMO.
Well your statement was obviously a little bit ridiculous. None of us know Mathesons’s intentions, therefore to claim that he entered the board battle with an “intent to injure” is certainly eye roll worthy IMO.
I believe I’m not alone in my interpretation, I’d certainly consider it as “obviously a little bit ridiculous” and “certainly eye roll worthy” if I was the only one thinking this but I’m not. And if Matheson is getting a call about this then there’s at least some merit to this being interpreted as more than a standard hit. Either way, he can use words to tell me what he thinks and I’d respectfully change my mind or disagree.
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Matheson is getting a call only because of who was hurt. That exact hit happens to Andrew Mangipane with that exact result and it doesn't even make the highlights on Sportscentre, much less get a call from DOPS.
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I'm biased. Pettersen had those little smirks when he played the Flames. True or not, that's what think I saw.
If he had that same look when dekeing out matheson then I can kind of understand why Matheson went after him. Similar to what Marchand did except Marchand actually threw several punches straight to the head.
Get too cocky, pay the price.
A roughing call that the refs missed.
I hate the Canucks but damn... if someone did that to Johnny we would want blood. How many games do you think he gets? If any?
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However many games NHL Player Safety deems Matheson gets, the ref who it happened right in front of and did not make a call should be suspended an equal number of games. The players need to be accounatable but so do the officials and the league.
You're totally missing the point. The enforcer doesn't even have to fight. Him being dressed is enough of a deterrent to not take liberties with your star players. If you think otherwise you should watch the documentary ice guardians it makes a great case why enforcers are still needed in today's games.
People say this but I see no reason to believe it is true. Dirty #### happened all the time when there were goons in the league. The only threat that works is the threat of putting your team down a man or suspensions. Gaudreau got his hands hacked to pieces while Engelland was in the lineup and he was probably a top 5 toughest guy in the league at the time.
If the league starts punishing the unnecessary dirty plays harshly and consistently, they will disappear.
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Matheson is getting a call only because of who was hurt. That exact hit happens to Andrew Mangipane with that exact result and it doesn't even make the highlights on Sportscentre, much less get a call from DOPS.
Yeah the fact it happened to a rookie getting a lot of media attention is the only reason this is news. As someone mentioned earlier if this happens to Garnett Hathaway last night it's probably not even a discussion on this forum today.
From watching the clip over and over again I think Pettersson’s head bounced off the glass twice on the initial hit which is where the concussion likely originated. The one handed body slam was more violent than intended because Pettersson had probably gone limp and wasn’t bracing himself or trying to resist. Matheson took the body harder than was necessary, but if Pettersson was stronger on his skates or was better prepared to take the hit in the first place none of this would have happened.
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I believe I’m not alone in my interpretation, I’d certainly consider it as “obviously a little bit ridiculous” and “certainly eye roll worthy” if I was the only one thinking this but I’m not. And if Matheson is getting a call about this then there’s at least some merit to this being interpreted as more than a standard hit. Either way, he can use words to tell me what he thinks and I’d respectfully change my mind or disagree.
There is no interpretation. You are basically saying you know what is going through someone else’s mind. You don’t have access to Matheson’s thoughts. You don’t know his intentions that second any more than you know my intentions right now. It doesn’t matter one iota how muany people you think agree with you, none of you can know his intentions, it isn’t possible unless he informs you of them and can be believed/trusted.
It’s a preposterous and absurd statement to say with certainty that you know what someone else is thinking or intending, you literally cannot know his intentions with any certainty.
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There is no interpretation. You are basically saying you know what is going through someone else’s mind. You don’t have access to Matheson’s thoughts. You don’t know his intentions that second any more than you know my intentions right now. It doesn’t matter one iota how muany people you think agree with you, none of you can know his intentions, it isn’t possible unless he informs you of them and can be believed/trusted.
It’s a preposterous and absurd statement to say with certainty that you know what someone else is thinking or intending, you literally cannot know his intentions with any certainty.
Judges and juries deal with people's intentions every day. Look up mens rea, and don't tell us it's impossible.
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I didn’t think this was that bad. If this happened to an average player in the league nobody would be taking about it. It was overly aggressive and it was a roughing penalty, but the reaction in here made me think it was going to be far worse.
Yeah the fact it happened to a rookie getting a lot of media attention is the only reason this is news. As someone mentioned earlier if this happens to Garnett Hathaway last night it's probably not even a discussion on this forum today.
Landeskog boarding Andersson last night was dirtier than this and also didn't merit a penalty apparently.
Pettersson got his "welcome to the NHL" moment just like Dubé did, both actions merit an investigation but nothing more.
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Judges and juries also listen to testimony from involved parties, often including the defendant.
And all the testimony in the world is unlikely to override clear physical evidence – such as the perpetrator being caught on video doing something that requires intent.
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Most of the people in this thread would never sit a jury in such a "trial" because of clear bias and preconceived assumptions.
Now you're the one judging people's intentions, and you're doing a worse job than most of the people in this thread. Bravo.
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However many games NHL Player Safety deems Matheson gets, the ref who it happened right in front of and did not make a call should be suspended an equal number of games. The players need to be accounatable but so do the officials and the league.
I think the other thing is, if the call was made during the game, as it should have been, that's the end of it. That the call was missed is, in part, what has taken it to the DPS.
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And all the testimony in the world is unlikely to override clear physical evidence – such as the perpetrator being caught on video doing something that requires intent.
The video evidence is that a stronger hockey player knocked over a weaker one. There's no question that Matheson had intent to bodycheck Petterson. You've yet to offer a shred of evidence that he had intent to injure.
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Now you're the one judging people's intentions, and you're doing a worse job than most of the people in this thread. Bravo.
Christ are you ever terrible at logic. There's no need to make assumptions about someone's views when they outright express them. Though, I'm sure you were all giddy last night thinking about how you pulled a trump card without realizing you held the joker.
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People say this but I see no reason to believe it is true. Dirty #### happened all the time when there were goons in the league. The only threat that works is the threat of putting your team down a man or suspensions. Gaudreau got his hands hacked to pieces while Engelland was in the lineup and he was probably a top 5 toughest guy in the league at the time.
If the league starts punishing the unnecessary dirty plays harshly and consistently, they will disappear.
I do not agree. It sounds like there's a generation gap between us and I'll always be a advocate of fighting and and having an enforcer in Hockey. Right or wrong it's just what I believe.
