12-15-2006, 09:39 AM
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So what kind of numbers on a yearly basis does Wells have to put up to make this contract worth it?
30-35+ HRs, 100+ RBIs, Gold glove, 370+ OBP, 900+ OPS.
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12-15-2006, 10:02 AM
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#282
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
So what kind of numbers on a yearly basis does Wells have to put up to make this contract worth it?
30-35+ HRs, 100+ RBIs, Gold glove, 370+ OBP, 900+ OPS.
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LOL, I can tell this is a loaded question. Wells is a 5 tool players, the fact is that is the current Market Value.
On the Fan960 this morning they had a Editor from a BaseBall Magizine and he said Wells is the best CF in the game and would of been the top Free Agent if he went to free agency.
He also said he believes JP will trade Rios to land a Pitcher. He also echoed lots of concern on the current starting pitching.
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12-15-2006, 10:04 AM
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#283
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Originally Posted by flambers
LOL, I can tell this is a loaded question. Wells is a 5 tool players, the fact is that is the current Market Value.
On the Fan960 this morning they had a Editor from a BaseBall Magizine and he said Wells is the best CF in the game and would of been the top Free Agent if he went to free agency.
He also said he believes JP will trade Rios to land a Pitcher. He also echoed lots of concern on the current starting pitching.
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What, because he has "5 tools" he gets a free pass on expectations?
I imagine if he reverts to 04/05 Wells, he'll be ridden harder than Iginla (Not at hard as A-Rod though).
I also think Andruw Jones is a better CF too, as well as Grady Sizemore and Ichiro (who played CF in Japan and will be playing full time this season).
Last edited by CaramonLS; 12-15-2006 at 10:07 AM.
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12-15-2006, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaramonLS
What, because he has "5 tools" he gets a free pass on expectations?
I imagine if he reverts to 04/05 Wells, he'll be ridden harder than Iginla (Not at hard as A-Rod though).
I also think Andruw Jones is a better CF too, as well as Grady Sizemore and Ichiro (who played CF in Japan and will be playing full time this season).
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In my opinion there is no correct answer on this one. Some people will hate this deal others will like it. The Jays had to make a decision and they made it. Now its time to move on.
As for who is a better CF people can argue that point untill their red in the face. The fact is one of the Baseball experts has stated he believes its Wells, I sure there are others who would pick someone else but the fact is Wells is a star type of a player and he was going to get a massive contract.
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12-15-2006, 11:21 AM
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Well I'd say if Wells hits 30+ homeruns, drives in 100 runs, scores 100+ runs and plays gold glove calibre centre field than the contract is worth it (well I don't think it will ever be worth it....but justified I guess?). Things like OBP, and OPS in my opinion get washed out by RBI and runs scored. If you have a .435 OBP but only score 80 runs or a .950 OPS and only drive in 85 runs than your team is probably losing a lot of games. Producing actual runs is what wins the games. Those other mudcrutch stats only indicate that theres a better probability that you'll score and drive in the runs. If his OBP is 355 but he scored 115 runs, and that OPS is .885 and he drives in 115 than I think you can give him a pass on not meeting those targets. Likewise if he hits the OPS and OBP targets but doesnt' get 100 runs and 100 RBI than I don't think he should be excused either.
IIRC A.J. Burnett also has an opt out clause after 3 years as well. He might opt out just because he's probably worth 13 million a year now even if his W-L record is mediocre.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 12-15-2006 at 11:24 AM.
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12-15-2006, 11:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flambers
On the Fan960 this morning they had a Editor from a BaseBall Magizine and he said Wells is the best CF in the game and would of been the top Free Agent if he went to free agency.
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The best all round CF or the best defensive CF. I can't believe that he thinks Wells is a better all round player than Beltran, Sizemore or Jones.
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12-15-2006, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
The best all round CF or the best defensive CF. I can't believe that he thinks Wells is a better all round player than Beltran, Sizemore or Jones.
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He said "best Centerfielder". He also said he would be the top free agent and I believe Jones is a potential Free Agent next year.
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12-15-2006, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RedHot25
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Okay....
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12-15-2006, 12:36 PM
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Appealing my suspension
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Well based on age, I don't know if you can put Sizemore in there. He's more of an emerging star.
As far as Jones and Beltran vs. Wells, they both drive in more runs, and scored more runs. They also hit more home more runs as well. All three play gold glove defence in Center field as well.
Wells Runs scored 91 RBI 106 -Hr 33 164 total runs accounted for
Jones Runs scored 107 RBI 129 -Hr41 195 total runs accounted for
Beltran Runs scored 127 RBI 116 -Hr41 202 total runs accounted for
Jones and Beltran are both 1 year older than Wells is just for the record, but I'd say those two are definitely better run producers than Wells is, and by a fair margin. Wells actually had a better OPS than Jones .899 to .894 and neither one was close to Beltran who was like .982. But given what Atlanta had in their lineup around Jones and the fact that he managed to produce as much as he did, I'd say he's the best. Beltran has the likes of Delgado and Wright around him to help him out.
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Last edited by Sylvanfan; 12-15-2006 at 12:38 PM.
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12-15-2006, 12:45 PM
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I might take Sizemore over Wells...maybe. But Beltran or Jones? No chance.
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12-15-2006, 12:51 PM
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I know Wells hasn't signed yet...but I love seeing quotes like these. Lots of people were saying Wells wanted out of Toronto with really nothing to base that on, and it really bothered me.
"How can you not be happy?" he said Friday in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "Like I said, my family comes first. Obviously this gives me an opportunity to set my family up for a couple of generations. That's the biggest part of this thing. And this gives me a chance to do something special in Toronto that hasn't been done in awhile."
When asked about the idea of playing in Texas;
"The ballpark is 20 minutes from my house," Wells said. "It's obviously a temptation, but (with) everything that I've gone through with Toronto and the relationships I've built there, it's tough to leave."
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12-15-2006, 08:08 PM
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And.....shes all done. VW is gonna be the richest Blue Jay ever to don the uniform.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/art...15_131654_5380
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12-16-2006, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
Okay....
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And your point being? What is the matter of interjecting the numbers/stats of the players that we are talking about?
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12-16-2006, 09:44 AM
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Wow, I'm pretty shocked Wells took this, the mlbpa won't be thrilled. Good move by the Jays, they lock up a huge portion of their roster for his prime years. I don't understand the angst against this move by some, who would replace Vernon? and there is no cap in baseball, spend Teddy spend.
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12-16-2006, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RedHot25
And your point being? What is the matter of interjecting the numbers/stats of the players that we are talking about?
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Nothing wrong at all just didn't know if you were meaning that those numbers showed Wells was the best, second best, equal, the worst.
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12-16-2006, 11:57 AM
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Calgary Herald has an article reporting this as a done deal this morning as well. I think its good news ... and the Jays are going to have a really, really scary offensive lineup this upcoming season. Then again, that never worked for the Rangers ...
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12-16-2006, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Troy
I don't understand the angst against this move by some, who would replace Vernon? and there is no cap in baseball, spend Teddy spend.
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Pitching and maybe a SS And OF. Next year there is going to be a great filed of FA's, particularly OF's. This year part of the reason that the salaries seemed so insane is that there was so little out there. Maybe wait to see what you can get next year. now there is a big risk you may lose Wells or have to pay him more but there is some good talent next year to be had.
I don't think it is a horrible signing. I just think there are better players out there than Wells and that 18 million seems like a lot of money for him. Obviously Blue Jay fans think a lot of Wells and are going to defend him. My guess is he is a little better than I think and maybe not as great as some fans think.
It sounds like the Blue Jays will still have some money to go after pitching which is a good thing. I just don't see how they are going to compete with the Sox and Yankees with there current roster and perhaps by moving Wells they could have got the pitching they needed.
Had they not wasted money on Thomas and got pitching with that money I may have liked the move more.
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12-16-2006, 12:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Troy
Wow, I'm pretty shocked Wells took this, the mlbpa won't be thrilled. Good move by the Jays, they lock up a huge portion of their roster for his prime years. I don't understand the angst against this move by some, who would replace Vernon? and there is no cap in baseball, spend Teddy spend.
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I bet they are dancing in the streets, are you freaking kidding me? This is one of the richest contracts doled out in baseball history.
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