2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Posters on CP always assume teams on the rise are in act hell. It makes them feel better.

Next year they will be...that is why Nylander isn't signed...it's not rocket appliances when you are paying 3 forwards over 30M

[David Struch]

Despite having his struggles, the asking price for Bennett is pretty high

“It looks like his role is not as high in the Flames as he would have hoped he would have had at this point in his career. But I’m not so convinced that they’re that interested in giving him away. I think your GM is well-aware about the potential, and I think he’s got a very long-term vision in the sense that if anyone is calling him about Bennett, I think the price is pretty high.”

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rum...tt/2018/10/06/

Friedman continues that it seems that both sides could use a change of scenery.

Bennett was the fourth overall pick in the 2014 draft, and the conversation on 960 shifted toward Bennett’s need for AHL development, “but if you put him on waivers you would lose him.”

“100 percent,” agreed Friedman. “100 percent you’re going to lose him.”

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/arch...g-term-mindset

[Husky]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Couturier was a 35 point guy because he was playing the d-role on the third line and shutting down the other teams best players. A role he excelled in.

He broke out scoring because eh he was moved to a scoring line and got big PP time.

Philly knew he could increase his scoring but needed him else where.

It just didn't click with Couturier, it was simply a matter of usage.

Isnt that the same with bennett? Never given consistent pp and top 6 time. Plus if a team knows a player can score...you play him as a ppg player not keep him down for 6 years which is a very low time.

[Flash Walken]

Interesting Friedman is now talking trade scenarios for Bennett.

[Husky]

Will be interesting if a guy like Nolan Patrick doesnt have a bigger year. Players are rushed with high expectations.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Derek Ryan is 31 and Bennett is 22. Just saying.

If Bennett is expendable, you may not be great at player development and asset management.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Derek Ryan is 31 and Bennett is 22. Just saying.

If Bennett is expendable, you may not be great at player development and asset management.

I mean if you are moving Bennett in a deal to secure goaltending it doesn't really matter.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Derek Ryan is 31 and Bennett is 22. Just saying.

If Bennett is expendable, you may not be great at player development and asset management.

13, 23, 19 seem to be developing okay

At some point it's not the teams fault...

[SeanCharles]

Call me crazy but I don't want the Flames to trade any of Bennett, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Jankowski, Dube or Czarnik as young players up front. Backlund and Neal are valuable older players as well.

I get we may need to trade something to solidify our future in net but I'd be very cautious on what.

I know they are not valuable enough to aquire a solution in net but if we needed to make room in the forward ranks I'd sooner move on from Frolik or possibly Ryan before any of the other younger or core older guys.

Bennett will find his game I'm sure, and as Trevling once said some players help you make the playoffs and some player help you win in the playoffs, both are important.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

13, 23, 19 seem to be developing okay

At some point it's not the teams fault...

I've never bought the notion that it's the team or Gulutzan's fault.

Teams need to win, and teams want to develop players to be who they are supposed to be. Plenty of high picks have been developed with average players around them on rebuilding teams.

Bennett is skilled. He cares. But at this point there is something missing between his ears in terms of confidence that is killing him. I've always thought a ten game stretch of success would fix him, but then he had that last year and it didn't take.

Last year he started taking steps in terms of chance generation based on ice time but wasn't resulted.

This year ... one game only but he was

2nd to Monahan in high danger chances / 60
2nd to Czarnik in scoring chances / 60
middle of the pack in simple shot attempts / 60

will be watching if that trend continues, and I'd assume Peters will be too.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Next year they will be...that is why Nylander isn't signed...it's not rocket appliances when you are paying 3 forwards over 30M

Who's the other centre worth over $10M on the Leafs? One winger in the league makes north of $10M, and he has three rings.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Eichel's making 10M. If Matthews wants 10M+ it's perfectly reasonable.

Tavares, Matthews and Marner will come in at around 30M. Not sure what the debate is about.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Derek Ryan is 31 and Bennett is 22. Just saying.

If Bennett is expendable, you may not be great at player development and asset management.

You never 'just say' something, you either say it, or you don't. But own your words if you say it, or don't say them.

/rant

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Who's the other centre worth over $10M on the Leafs? One winger in the league makes north of $10M, and he has three rings.

Matthews is getting over 10...probably 11+
Marner in the 8 range
JT at 11...do the math

[H2SO4(aq)]

Anyone that doesn’t think he’s talented isn’t watching. We’re gonna turn this poor kid into Brett Connelly. Bennett needs better wingers and currently peters is burying him. If I’m bennett I ask for a trade. But more importantly, I prove a point first.

If I were him I’d come up to peters before the game and just say “my line starts”. Then at the faceoff I drop my mitts and fight someone. Then on the way to the box I point at peters and say “put me on the powerplay”.

Dramatic? Hell yah. But otherwise the flames are going to kill his effing career

[Jiri Hrdina]

He’s ultimately accountable for his performance. The danger for any young player is they get passed by other young players or if their teams goes out and gets others
The Flames were worried about offense last year and it turned out to be an issue
So they’ve tried to address that and now Sam needs to earn more and better ice
It’s on him

[Oling_Roachinen]

Yeah, cause it's not like players like Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Backlund, Ferland, Granlund and soon-to-be-Dube haven't been able to find success with the Flames in recent years. Must be a conspiracy just to keep Bennett down.

Or maybe if he actually started producing he would be put with other players that produce. Just a thought.

[1qqaaz]

I don't think there's a lot of disagreement going on. Bennett is primarily accountable for his failure to develop. Not the coaches, not the general managers, and not the other players.

He has been tried an all lines, with almost all the players, and at almost every forward position.

I do think he has inherent skill that has not been able to be harnessed. I don't think he'll just randomly explode with offense any time soon. The organization has to help him take small steps in the right direction. Make him a solid third line player. Then make him a consistent 40 point guy. After that, maybe a true top 6 player. Etc.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

13, 23, 19 seem to be developing okay

At some point it's not the teams fault...

Same points as always on both sides.
How much time did they get on the third line with Hathaway.
Rinse, repeat

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

You never 'just say' something, you either say it, or you don't. But own your words if you say it, or don't say them.

/rant

I did just say it.

I don’t get your rant.

Ryan is post apex, not notably better than Bennett, and has less upside. I own those words