[News] Flames recall Anthony Peluso from Stockton

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Provide evidence it works. You know what works? Pumping in PP goals.

That’s been such a strength of ours for the last few years.

The power play is a huge part of the problem. There’s not a team in the league that has to think twice about crossing the line when they play the Flames. They KNOW that the Flames impotent power play will NOT make them pay no matter the infraction.

[Jiri Hrdina]

No disagreement there
Needs to be fixed

[Jiri Hrdina]

No disagreement there
Needs to be fixed

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Where has the vocal minority assumed that what we like is what the majority of Flames fans like? That has never been the position or the argument.

My position against fighting has been that it is silly, unnecessary and doesn't add anything to the game. NOWHERE have I ever said that I assume that's how other people feel. Nowhere. I am WELL aware that a lot of fans like fighting. And they have the right to feel that way. I have never suggested otherwise.

Can you point to any posts where people have done that? If not you are basically making stuff up, which is a very weak way to counter someone who happens to have a different view than you.

And cut the True Albertan BS.
Whether or not you like fighting doesn't make you a True Albertan.
What an absolute load of malarkey.

Just an awful take. Cliche silly machismo bunk.

Hey Jiri

We all love you. But!... Imo we have heard enough of your antifighting parade for one day. Your not wrong in what you say. Also in other news smoking and drinking will kill you. Guess what some of us like those things too. sugar is bad for you. We eat ice cream at the games. Just because somethings are or aren't technically correct doesn't mean that we can't enjoy things on the other side of the line without being bashed over the head about it.

My 2 cents.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I find it difficult to take solace in a game where the flames were beat in the alley and the scoresheet because they had some nice shot differential in large part owing to a 7-1 powerplay advantage.



maybe thats just me.

Tbf I don’t think they had more than a few shots on their 14 mins of PP time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Hey Jiri

We all love you. But!... Imo we have heard enough of your antifighting parade for one day. Your not wrong in what you say. Also in other news smoking and drinking will kill you. Guess what some of us like those things too. sugar is bad for you. We eat ice cream at the games. Just because somethings are or aren't technically correct doesn't mean that we can't enjoy things on the other side of the line without being bashed over the head about it.

My 2 cents.

Again. Nowhere did I say that you aren't allowed to like those things. Nowhere.
Apart from that your posts amounts to not wanting to hear a different opinion.
It is a complicated issue that in my view NEEDS to be talked about. It is part of the broader conversation about how, in my view, the game needs to evolve.
Telling someone "We've heard enough of your opinion" is not really cool. Particularly when those opinions are being mis-represented. In those cases am I not well within my rights to offer a rebuttal?

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by 868904

You know why that is? Because Calgarians and Flames fans love tough hockey. Everyone gets up when there’s a fight. Some of the most popular players in Flames history are tough guys with no skill (Big Ern, McCarthy, Tim Hunter, Fotiou, Oliwa, Godard, etc).

It would be nice if the very vocal minority can stop assuming that what they like is what the majority of Flames fans like. Calgarians are a tough breed and like their hockey tough, the hockey teams take on the persona of the City they represent. True Albertans like Darryl Sutter understand this and built teams tough and his teams were arguably the most popular in franchise history.

True Albertans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again. Nowhere did I say that you aren't allowed to like those things. Nowhere.
Apart from that your posts amounts to not wanting to hear a different opinion.
It is a complicated issue that in my view NEEDS to be talked about. It is part of the broader conversation about how, in my view, the game needs to evolve.
Telling someone "We've heard enough of your opinion" is not really cool. Particularly when those opinions are being mis-represented. In those cases am I not well within my rights to offer a rebuttal?

You are always within your rights to speak your piece and of course have a rebuttal. There also becomes a time when threads get taken over on a tangent. With you being a mod your overwhelming opinion likely restricts more conservative posters from fully expressing their opinion should it differ from yours. I hope it's a little food for thought.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by heep223

Tbf I don’t think they had more than a few shots on their 14 mins of PP time.

I'm not saying Calgary poured in shots on the PP. I'm saying being on the PK for 14 minutes is going to reduce Vancouver's ability to generate offense.

The Canucks spent nearly a period killing penalties. What do the shots look like if that isn't the case?

I would've accepted moral victories last year when the team was terrible. But this year the team is a much better and deeper roster. Moral victories against what is supposed to be one of the worst rosters in the league, a division rival, to cement a 9 consecutive year opening night losing streak is...not good enough.

I'm not huffing and puffing about it, but I'm completely uninterested in hot takes about how the Flames dominated a game they lost 5 to freakin' 2.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Chingas

You are always within your rights to speak your piece and of course have a rebuttal. There also becomes a time when threads get taken over on a tangent. With you being a mod your overwhelming opinion likely restricts more conservative posters from fully expressing their opinion should it differ from yours. I hope it's a little food for thought.

It seems like many people are perfectly comfortable expressing a different opinion than me
It isn’t like the anti fighting sentiment is taking over the board

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm not saying Calgary poured in shots on the PP. I'm saying being on the PK for 14 minutes is going to reduce Vancouver's ability to generate offense.

The Canucks spent nearly a period killing penalties. What do the shots look like if that isn't the case?

I would've accepted moral victories last year when the team was terrible. But this year the team is a much better and deeper roster. Moral victories against what is supposed to be one of the worst rosters in the league, a division rival, to cement a 9 consecutive year opening night losing streak is...not good enough.

I'm not huffing and puffing about it, but I'm completely uninterested in hot takes about how the Flames dominated a game they lost 5 to freakin' 2.

Agreed.

Much easier for Oiler fans between games.

Lose 5-2 and get outplayed in every single facet of the game instead of a lot of underlying numbers that say you deserved better.

The Flames can't have another season of out shooting and out chancing other teams but finding ways to lose.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by kman35ca

Ya some teams are fine without a fighter. But the majority of teams have at least one guy who can really throw down. Ideally it would be someone that can play hockey too.
I think Calgary's a unique situation. With all the talk about them seeming mentally weak. Would have loved to see someone like Simmonds on this team. Or If we were able to keep Engelland instead of Stone would have been ideal.
I know everyone wishes the goons of old were gone. But obviously they aren't. And until they are gone, we need to have guys that can answer the call. The league isn't going to protect them. You can't let a rookie take a dirty hit, and just ignore it. And say well we will score more goals. I still believe 100% you need to show your young players that they will have guys ready to answer the call if they face dirty hit's.
You don't want these young guys intimidated out there. And a good fight, especially if your guy wins, can swing the momentum your teams way...

I wouldn't say most want the goons and fighting gone. In fact, from my experience more people want to keep it in. Just cause a few on this site want to eliminate fighting(which isn't a right or wrong stance, its just an opinion everyone is entitled to), doesn't mean most feel that way. I have no issue with fighting in the league at all, its a part of the game. Its not going anywhere anytime soon.

In hockey, you can do both, score on the PP and also let the players know you will stand up for them.

[mcjmcj]

Everyone is complaining about Peluso, but I would rather have a physical, one dimensional forward than a d-man. The game may not have fighting to the same degree anymore, but you do need players to change momentum with physical play, and the Flames have very few forwards who can bring that type of game.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again. Nowhere did I say that you aren't allowed to like those things. Nowhere.
Apart from that your posts amounts to not wanting to hear a different opinion.
It is a complicated issue that in my view NEEDS to be talked about. It is part of the broader conversation about how, in my view, the game needs to evolve.
Telling someone "We've heard enough of your opinion" is not really cool. Particularly when those opinions are being mis-represented. In those cases am I not well within my rights to offer a rebuttal?

I always respect and appreciate yours and anyones insight Jiri, however just cause fighting stays in the game and remains, doesn't mean its not progressing. What you feel is a sign of evolving is your opinion as you put it. Keeping fighting in the game doesn't mean hockey isn't evolving. Basically put, as stated, we all have our own opinions.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by 868904

You know why that is? Because Calgarians and Flames fans love tough hockey. Everyone gets up when there’s a fight. Some of the most popular players in Flames history are tough guys with no skill (Big Ern, McCarthy, Tim Hunter, Fotiou, Oliwa, Godard, etc).



It would be nice if the very vocal minority can stop assuming that what they like is what the majority of Flames fans like. Calgarians are a tough breed and like their hockey tough, the hockey teams take on the persona of the City they represent. True Albertans like Darryl Sutter understand this and built teams tough and his teams were arguably the most popular in franchise history.

Ah, the “no true Scotsman” logical fallacy. I didn’t think I’d see you this early in the season, but here you are.

Cripes. Some of us maybe used to be that way but have changed our mind after learning about the life destroying effects of head trauma. You know, using scientific evidence to inform our position rather than outdated emotional bravado. It’s not 1985 anymore. Time for hockey and its fans to learn a new way.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

They didn't call him up just to practice. Just because he's not playing tonight doesn't mean he won't play.

And who comes out when he comes in? Dube? Bennett? That's ugly.

I'm glad you're not the Flames GM otherwise we would have the softest team in the....nm

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Ah, the “no true Scotsman” logical fallacy. I didn’t think I’d see you this early in the season, but here you are.

Cripes. Some of us maybe used to be that way but have changed our mind after learning about the life destroying effects of head trauma. You know, using scientific evidence to inform our position rather than outdated emotional bravado. It’s not 1985 anymore. Time for hockey and its fans to learn a new way.

I especially can't stand fighting as a place holder for the league not enforcing the rules already in the books.

Vigilante justice should not be a core component of a professional sports league.

[cracher]

I found last season to be quite frustrating because neither GG nor Tre seemed to adapt to situations. This move is a breath of fresh air to me.



The Prout interview in the other thread (that AC posted) was quite telling at the 2m mark. He expressed his opinion on the Dube/Hamonic situation. Even through the filtered NHLer'ese (talk without saying anything), it was apparent that standing up was the right thing to do, if only for team building reasons. Tre is facilitating that with this move and setting the stage for the season. I like.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I especially can't stand fighting as a place holder for the league not enforcing the rules already in the books.

Vigilante justice should not be a core component of a professional sports league.

Agreed. But people will always be tempted to turn to vigilante justice if they are denied official justice. The referees' cartel has never done the game any favours.

[redforever]

We don't need players like Peluso or Prout.

If we need to insert toughness, we need players like Big Ern or Probert, big tough guys who can play the game but also add toughness and intimidation just by being on the ice.