[News] Flames recall Andersson from Stockton

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why would he do that? He's not a dirty player, and by all counts was apologetic about what happened. It seems silly to me that the team should go into tomorrow's game in anticipation of the worst case scenario. If Prout plays tomorrow it signals revenge, not deterrence. I think that would be a huge mistake.

Wouldn't call him dirty but he's borderline with a bit of crazy sprinkled in.

If he's not why did he hit Dube the way he did?
What's preventing him or any of the players on the Canucks from doing whatever they want? The Flames PP is abysmal and is not a deterrent in its current state.

Hamonic fights him and gets tuned, and sets the tone for the majority of the game in Canucks favour.

Prout tomorrow means there is a deterrent for the Nucks.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Valimaki was the goat on the opening goal. Set the tone for the game.

That's actually not on Valimaki IMO - everyone else was in position to cover him. He missed the puck on the pinch but it wasn't a bad decision to pinch.

Valimaki pinches low but Frolik was in a good position to cover him at the point, the play goes south when Frolik then decides to squeeze up on Erikkson who is trying to exit the zone.

Also the real problem was that Janko gets tied up with Pouliot and falls down when they are leaving the offensive zone which allows Pouliot to skate freely up the ice, and that is why it becomes a 2-1.

[TheScorpion]

Another idea.

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Stone
Prout - Andersson

[GioforPM]

There's a good chance it's Prout but not really for any reason other than that's always been the pattern on injury call-ups - the designated press box guy goes in for the first game and the call-up gets in later.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I'd have Prout in tomorrow's game. He doesn't have to fight to prove his worth. Just be a deterrent.

I’d say he should drop the gloves. Flames got punked, can’t let that go.

[Royle9]

The Prout gif's alone should be more than enough reason for you guys to see what him being in the lineup says to the Canucks whether he fights or not. I just prefer he does for the sake of standing up for the Flames and showing we wont be pushed around.

I forget who the poster was who said we should be dressing a guy like Prout against all our division rivals early on but they are right, taking liberties on our guys should not be tolerated this season and its not like Prout is a plug, he was very good in the pre-season and is a serviceable 6th/7th D-man who provides the toughness and accountability on the ice.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I'd have Prout in tomorrow's game. He doesn't have to fight to prove his worth. Just be a deterrent.

Vancouver would love that.

[stone hands]

Again, what do the flames need a deterrent for when their problem was total discombobulation for the first 40 minutes which afflicted the team before the hit and was rectified in the third, 2 periods after the hamonic fight

the real deterrent should be capitalizing on one of the 7 powerplay chances they had

[Patek23]

I hate how soft the attitude is sometimes this is a contact sport not figure skating. Fancy stats and playing fast are nice and all but there are still intangibles and things such as team morale. Gudbranson single handily deflated our team in the home opener with a dirty hit and literally broke the guy who came callings face. If you guys don’t think that was the turning point of the game then why is it so talked about? You put Prout in and you hope he clobbers him and sends the message that Hamonic couldn’t. That we are a team that’s not going to get wiped all over the ice like last year. People who don’t see that must of never played competitive sports, because stuff like this matters wether your Corsi says so or not.

[Royle9]

You're not wrong stone hands, I'd like both
We beat ourselves in the PP department, there's no denying that at all.

But getting rocked early on with the crowed cheering like it was the biggest cleanest hit and then following it up the next shift with a knockout punch would get any home team going.
Let's repay the favor and also put up 7 goals tomorrow!

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I hate how soft the attitude is sometimes this is a contact sport not figure skating. Fancy stats and playing fast are nice and all but there are still intangibles and things such as team morale. Gudbranson single handily deflated our team in the home opener with a dirty hit and literally broke the guy who came callings face. If you guys don’t think that was the turning point of the game then why is it so talked about? You put Prout in and you hope he clobbers him and sends the message that Hamonic couldn’t. That we are a team that’s not going to get wiped all over the ice like last year. People who don’t see that must of never played competitive sports, because stuff like this matters wether your Corsi says so or not.

its talked about because people have terrible hockey analysis skills and its a open fan board

[Matty81]

Stone is a poor player. The downgrade on him to Prout is worth it for one game. It is too bad the flames are such a small soft team to be in this position in game 2

One big guy can terrorize their lineup, it reminds me of when the oilers used to get killed by that giant goon from Minnesota rip. Lost harmonic for 2 months due to being too stubborn to admit the league hasn't changed as much as many would like.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I hate how soft the attitude is sometimes this is a contact sport not figure skating. Fancy stats and playing fast are nice and all but there are still intangibles and things such as team morale. Gudbranson single handily deflated our team in the home opener with a dirty hit and literally broke the guy who came callings face. If you guys don’t think that was the turning point of the game then why is it so talked about? You put Prout in and you hope he clobbers him and sends the message that Hamonic couldn’t. That we are a team that’s not going to get wiped all over the ice like last year. People who don’t see that must of never played competitive sports, because stuff like this matters wether your Corsi says so or not.

100%
It must have been very deflating for the Flames bench.

[Bonecrushing Hits]

Fine, I’ll play devil’s advocate.

First of all a caveat; I don’t love fighting and really disliked the staged two goons squaring of at center ice crap but…

I hope they put Prout in on the third paring.

It’s amazing to me how many people on this board are denouncing fighting yet were likely supporters of having Engelland in the game just in case some rough stuff was needed. When McGrattan was in the line-up the whole team played 6” taller and 20 pounds heavier even though he only played 5 minutes. Some would argue a wasted 5 minutes, and no doubt that specific role of a fighter is gone but who on this roster is capable of providing a deterrent and is capable of fighting if necessary?

I agree, make them pay on the scoreboard but surely you would recognize that intimidation is still an important part of the game and that beating them in the alley isn’t the mutually exclusive alternative.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I hate how soft the attitude is sometimes this is a contact sport not figure skating. Fancy stats and playing fast are nice and all but there are still intangibles and things such as team morale. Gudbranson single handily deflated our team in the home opener with a dirty hit and literally broke the guy who came callings face. If you guys don’t think that was the turning point of the game then why is it so talked about? You put Prout in and you hope he clobbers him and sends the message that Hamonic couldn’t. That we are a team that’s not going to get wiped all over the ice like last year. People who don’t see that must of never played competitive sports, because stuff like this matters wether your Corsi says so or not.

Season opener.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Bonecrushing Hits

Fine, I’ll play devil’s advocate.

First of all a caveat; I don’t love fighting and really disliked the staged two goons squaring of at center ice crap but…

I hope they put Prout in on the third paring.

It’s amazing to me how many people on this board are denouncing fighting yet were likely supporters of having Engelland in the game just in case some rough stuff was needed. When McGrattan was in the line-up the whole team played 6” taller and 20 pounds heavier even though he only played 5 minutes. Some would argue a wasted 5 minutes, and no doubt that specific role of a fighter is gone but who on this roster is capable of providing a deterrent and is capable of fighting if necessary?

I agree, make them pay on the scoreboard but surely you would recognize that intimidation is still an important part of the game and that beating them in the alley isn’t the mutually exclusive alternative.

I agree..and even worse than this one game... every team in the league saw what happened in game one. The flames are going to get bullied all year if they don't push back. And despite ppl losing their minds... dressing one fighter out of 20 players is a pretty minimal performance impact.

[united]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Vancouver would love that.

They love playing against Michael Stone, too, so what difference does it make which of them slots in on the third pair? Both are equally bad, but one actually displays toughness and has the will to stick up for teammates.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by united

They love playing against Michael Stone, too, so what difference does it make which of them slots in on the third pair? Both are equally bad, but one actually displays toughness and has the will to stick up for teammates.

I have no problem bringing in Prout for Stone. Both are below replacement level however and should not be on an NHL team.

But we know no NHL coach is going to dress two rookie defencemen.

That's a failure of management.

[Monahan For Mayor]

A lot of people are saying that the hit/fight are yesterday's news and I agree. The issue comes up when another one of our guys gets hit like that. The only real deterrent on our team with Prout and Hamonic out is Bennett. We don't want Bennett having to play that role either. Put Prout in against a divisional rival and it shows the rest of the team that someone has their back. It's human nature. The most confident/cocky guys at the bar are usually the guys with a tough ####ing sob with them. They will talk ####,hit on other guys girlfriends, etc because if any confilict starts they have back up. You can drawn comparisons to hockey. Having a mean son who is willing to paste anyone for looking at you the wrong way gives you confidence to play your game on the ice.

[FiveSeven]

My god. Stone is NOT a bad hockey player ffs. He’s nothing special by any means but people talk about him like he’s Wideman in his last season.

Harmonics injury sucks but at least he can still skate so he won’t miss a beat when he’s back.