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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I try not to comment much in flames game threads or post game threads.
but I don't understand the people who are ripping on Smith.

he's a good, solid goalie with stretches of greatness. over the course of a season Smith will help earn your team way more points than he'll lose by bad play or a bad goal.
when in front of a goalie they can't trust, I believe teams play scared which causes poor play. I think the flames players trust smith's ability and it isn't an issue.

Some fans literally blame the goalie for every goal. It makes no sense but to those types of fans almost every shot is stoppable and blame can therefore always be assigned to the goalie.

It’s a fundamental flaw in the way they evaluate hockey.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Some fans literally blame the goalie for every goal. It makes no sense but to those types of fans almost every shot is stoppable and blame can therefore always be assigned to the goalie.

It’s a fundamental flaw in the way they evaluate hockey.

Preach!!!!!

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

It’s hard to believe that this thread is 500+ posts deep. We’ve lost 9 straight season openers so this is nothing new and we’ve made the playoffs 2 of the last 4 seasons despite losing the season opener. I think the “sky is falling” posts are a little premature and need to be reeled in a bit because we still have 162 of a potential 164 points still up for grabs.

I don't agree with this.



While true that there's still 162 points available we all know that in the end it's a dog fight for the last playoff spots and teams missing out usually miss by a point by two. All the other teams also have 162 points available at this moment.



So those two points lost may end up being the difference between making it or not.



Also why is it somehow acceptable to AGAIN lose the opener? Just because it's happened nine times in a row I'll never buy the assessment that it's ok because they always lose, that's just the way things go.

[442scotty]

While I’ve never been a big Mike Smith fan it’s hard to throw him under the bus after the way the team defended in front of him. But having said that, I have a bus with his name on it waiting.... This team isn’t going very far with him in net...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't agree with this.



While true that there's still 162 points available we all know that in the end it's a dog fight for the last playoff spots and teams missing out usually miss by a point by two. All the other teams also have 162 points available at this moment.



So those two points lost may end up being the difference between making it or not.

But at the end of the season how do we determine WHICH of the two points lost are the ones which held the team out of the playoffs? Moreover, if the team happens to win their next five, or seven of the next 10, then I expect no one will care that they dropped Game #1. It's all pretty relative, and it is a long season. I think the message here is that losing the first game sucks, but it's not something over which to fret too badly.

Also why is it somehow acceptable to AGAIN lose the opener? Just because it's happened nine times in a row I'll never buy the assessment that it's ok because they always lose, that's just the way things go.

I don't see a single poster here who has said losing Game #1 is "acceptable." But what a number of posters are saying is that while losing the first game is not ideal it is not at all indicative of how the rest of the season will unfold.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But at the end of the season how do we determine WHICH of the two points lost are the ones which held the team out of the playoffs? Moreover, if the team happens to win their next five, or seven of the next 10, then I expect no one will care that they dropped Game #1. It's all pretty relative, and it is a long season. I think the message here is that losing the first game sucks, but it's not something over which to fret too badly.

I guess I'll just disagree, if they miss the playoffs they'll for sure be looking at a game like this against a clearly inferior team and a team that's likely finishing bottom five. These are the games you have to win.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't see a single poster here who has said losing Game #1 is "acceptable." But what a number of posters are saying is that while losing the first game is not ideal it is not at all indicative of how the rest of the season will unfold.

Maybe acceptable is not the right word but what I mean is there are clearly people are wiping the loss under a rug because "they always lose the opener". This makes no sense. It's still the same two points you get from any game.



Oh well, hopefully they make it so that this discussion is all meaningless.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I guess I'll just disagree, if they miss the playoffs they'll for sure be looking at a game like this against a clearly inferior team and a team that's likely finishing bottom five. These are the games you have to win.

And yet, EVERY TEAM in the NHL is going to lose games like this. Games they should win against inferior opponents. It happens. If it happens too often, then you have a point. But we are a long way from there yet.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Oh dear.

Could you clarify your concern with the words grammar and irregardless??

(actually interested, not being a dick)

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I guess I'll just disagree, if they miss the playoffs they'll for sure be looking at a game like this against a clearly inferior team and a team that's likely finishing bottom five. These are the games you have to win.






Maybe acceptable is not the right word but what I mean is there are clearly people are wiping the loss under a rug because "they always lose the opener". This makes no sense. It's still the same two points you get from any game.



Oh well, hopefully they make it so that this discussion is all meaningless.

What other option is there for fans or even players other than sweeping a loss under a rug? We can only move on to the next game, hope it's better (win) and repeat.
Losses are going to happen and it doesn't matter where anyone thinks the opposing team ranks. Since losses are inevitable, it's important to see how they come back from a loss. The next game will be a good test. They'll play the same team and we'll see if they make the same mistakes or not.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I actually am, in context.

The season is 82 games. The best teams in the league have mediocre results against the worst teams, every year. The better your team is, the less of those you have, and vice versa.

It’s one game, and yeah, quite frankly I’m ok with the result, because in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter. Will I be ok with being out of the playoff picture by thanksgiving? No. Will I be ok missing the playoffs this year? No. But is one loss worth getting upset over? No, it isn’t.

As good as this team might be, it’s not a Stanley Cup contender yet. And if you’re hand wringing over one loss then a sport where 82 games are played and the very best teams lose 20-30 of them is not likely a sport that you’re going to consistently enjoy no matter who your favourite team is, and certainly not if your favourite team is one where just making the playoffs will be an improvement.

I honestly feel like I’m taking crazy pills sometimes. Do some of you even enjoy hockey? Or do you just enjoy winning? The first two periods of the game weren’t much fun, the powerplay was zero fun, and like a lot of people I’m sure, I considered shutting it down after Vancouver scores a quick two at the start of the third. But I’m glad I didn’t, because the rest of the third right up to the empty netter was FUN to watch.

It’s one game. So yeah, I’m okay with a mediocre result, because there were things to enjoy along the way and there are 81 games left to get the 100 points we need. My partner and I had a couple beers, laughed at losing to Vancouver, and slept like babies. On to Saturday!

You must be a casual fan. Im a die hard hard fan myself. I seen the Flames win the Cup in 89 i was hooked on this team. I always support them but the past 10+ years they have been mediocre at best. I don't know about you casual fans but i want them to be a contender again. So yeah 1 loss to Vancouver of all teams bugs me.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Could you clarify your concern with the words grammar and irregardless??

(actually interested, not being a dick)

Irregardless is not a real word.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

Could you clarify your concern with the words grammar and irregardless??

(actually interested, not being a dick)

"Irregardless" isn't actually a word. And admittedly I was being a bit of a dick by pointing it out like that.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Irregardless is not a real word.

irregardless of that, we will continue to use it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

You must be a casual fan. Im a die hard hard fan myself. I seen the Flames win the Cup in 89 i was hooked on this team. I always support them but the past 10+ years they have been mediocre at best. I don't know about you casual fans but i want them to be a contender again. So yeah 1 loss to Vancouver of all teams bugs me.

Invoking the "not-a-true-Scotsman" fallacy is always the surest path to winning an argument. You are clearly not as hardcore a fan as I am, and I am not losing my mind over Wedsnesday's game.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

irregardless of that, we will continue to use it.

Please, kill me.

[Beninho]

Flames need to set the tone next game, finish checks and get in their face. Too many times this team last year needed to be hit in the face to get going. Start pissed off to start the game for once.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Irregardless is not a real word.

For all intensive purposes it is. Can you site any authority otherwise?

I refuse to tow the line of you grammar police. You cannot reign me in. I could care less. It's just the principal of the thing.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Invoking the "not-a-true-Scotsman" fallacy is always the surest path to winning an argument. You are clearly not as hardcore a fan as I am, and I am not losing my mind over Wedsnesday's game.

Not really cause they lost the game im bothered cause they got pushed around and the Vets showed no heart. Im a bigger fan than you will ever be.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Not really cause they lost the game im bothered cause they got pushed around and the Vets showed no heart. Im a bigger fan than you will ever be.

whining incessantly on calgary puck about doesnt make you a bigger fan than anyone, sorry

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by stone hands

whining incessantly on calgary puck about doesnt make you a bigger fan than anyone, sorry

I give you a hero cookie.