Start of season SC odds

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

I already put $25 on the Flames to win the Division at +560.

I have been somewhat surprised about the price for the Flames to win the division. Last year I found one at +1200, and I was hoping that, after how badly last season went, I'd be able to find something similar. No dice so far.

Where did that bet get placed?

(First post!)

[BigSmoke]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yes, in almost three fewer minutes per game. Vanek was more productive, sorry bud.

So then Vanek was more productive than many others you view as better than Marner.

JVR was more productive than Marner, do I think he's better than Marner?

[BigSmoke]

The division is the Flames to lose imo
But Edmonton will get a top 3 spot.

[BigSmoke]

The division is the Flames to lose imo
But Edmonton will get a top 3 spot.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

So then Vanek was more productive than many others you view as better than Marner.

JVR was more productive than Marner, do I think he's better than Marner?

Pal, this isn't Canadian football, you can't move the goalposts this easily. Your entire thing was talking about how many more points Marner was gonna score this year

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

The division is the Flames to lose imo
But Edmonton will get a top 3 spot.

I think I might have to give an edge to the Sharks, but I would make an even money bet on the Flames vs. any other team in the Pacific.

[BigSmoke]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Pal, this isn't Canadian football, you can't move the goalposts this easily. Your entire thing was talking about how many more points Marner was gonna score this year

Want to bet?

You don't think he will. He spent time on the 4th line and got 69 points at age 20. Now he;'s with Tavares and looking fantastic.

[Enoch Root]

Jesus Christ. This isn't TorontoPuck. You like the Leafs, that's great. But go play on your own street. We don't give a ####.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

Want to bet?

You don't think he will. He spent time on the 4th line and got 69 points at age 20. Now he;'s with Tavares and looking fantastic.

Even when he was (very briefly) on the fourth line he was on the first unit of the PP.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

The division is the Flames to lose imo
But Edmonton will get a top 3 spot.

No.

The pathetic Oilers are not miraculously leapfrogging three teams into a Division playoff spot. It's a four- or five-team race, and Edmonton is most decidedly on the outside looking in. I think they could conceivably finish behind a much improved Arizona team.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

Comments like this show YOU are the one underrating the Leafs and not Vegas odds overrating them.

They were the 6th best team last season. 5th best goal diff. added a franchise C but they'll be worse? But they are what 10-15 now? Huh?

Fans do not put $ down on their own team just for the sake of it.

So you are saying that Toronto being the most popular team somehow doesn’t increase the amount of bets placed on them regardless of how good or bad they are.

That’s just stupid.

The concept of public teams is measurable.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Gamblor

I think I might have to give an edge to the Sharks, but I would make an even money bet on the Flames vs. any other team in the Pacific.

You take the Flames. I'll take the field. Name your stakes.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Gamblor

I think I might have to give an edge to the Sharks, but I would make an even money bet on the Flames vs. any other team in the Pacific.

Username checks out.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

You take the Flames. I'll take the field. Name your stakes.

that's not what he said

he's saying he'll take the Flames, you take any other Pacific team straight-up

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Gamblor

I think I might have to give an edge to the Sharks, but I would make an even money bet on the Flames vs. any other team in the Pacific.

Well when it comes to actual money never use your heart to determine a line. I personally like that bet for the Flames, but since they had 84 points and one of the teams below them has McJordan, no way you should take even money for that bet unless it’s Vancouver or Arizona.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

that's not what he said

he's saying he'll take the Flames, you take any other Pacific team straight-up

This is correct. I guess before I go inviting action, I should ask if making bets with other board members against any forum rules?

[BigSmoke]

Originally Posted by GGG

So you are saying that Toronto being the most popular team somehow doesn’t increase the amount of bets placed on them regardless of how good or bad they are.

That’s just stupid.

The concept of public teams is measurable.

Then please explain every other Leaf season with Vegas odds. Why are the Leafs always so low EXCEPT for this year? Could it be because they had 105 points and added Tavares and Matthews/Marner/Nylander were all 21 and under last season.

Come on, if the Panthers had that same roster they are the favs as well.

Oh Look, when the Leafs sucked 2 years ago, they were 29th in odds:
Anaheim Ducks 99.5
Arizona Coyotes 78
Boston Bruins 91.5
Buffalo Sabres 86.5
Calgary Flames 88.5
Carolina Hurricanes 78.5
Chicago Blackhawks 102.5
Colorado Avalanche 87.5
Columbus Blue Jackets 85
Dallas Stars 103
Detroit Red Wings 88.5
Edmonton Oilers 88.5
Florida Panthers 98
Los Angeles Kings 98.5
Minnesota Wild 93.5
Montreal Canadiens 98
Nashville Predators 97
New Jersey Devils 85.5
New York Islanders 94
New York Rangers 94.5
Ottawa Senators 82
Philadelphia Flyers 90.5
Pittsburgh Penguins 102.5
San Jose Sharks 100.5
St. Louis Blues 100.5
Tampa Bay Lightning 105.5
Toronto Maple Leafs 79.5
Vancouver Canucks 76.5
Washington Capitals 106
Winnipeg Jets 85

Vegas odds ARE NOT increased due to fanbase size. That's ridiculous. You are trying to find a lame excuse for the Leafs to be that high. They are good. End of story.

[Gamblor]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well when it comes to actual money never use your heart to determine a line. I personally like that bet for the Flames, but since they had 84 points and one of the teams below them has McJordan, no way you should take even money for that bet unless it’s Vancouver or Arizona.

Oh but the fun! You're not wrong, but I figure if any bet actually gets made between internet strangers, it would need to be a pretty small amount. Say $10 or $20.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BigSmoke

Then please explain every other Leaf season with Vegas odds. Why are the Leafs always so low EXCEPT for this year? Could it be because they had 105 points and added Tavares and Matthews/Marner/Nylander were all 21 and under last season.

Come on, if the Panthers had that same roster they are the favs as well.

Oh Look, when the Leafs sucked 2 years ago, they were 29th in odds:
Anaheim Ducks 99.5
Arizona Coyotes 78
Boston Bruins 91.5
Buffalo Sabres 86.5
Calgary Flames 88.5
Carolina Hurricanes 78.5
Chicago Blackhawks 102.5
Colorado Avalanche 87.5
Columbus Blue Jackets 85
Dallas Stars 103
Detroit Red Wings 88.5
Edmonton Oilers 88.5
Florida Panthers 98
Los Angeles Kings 98.5
Minnesota Wild 93.5
Montreal Canadiens 98
Nashville Predators 97
New Jersey Devils 85.5
New York Islanders 94
New York Rangers 94.5
Ottawa Senators 82
Philadelphia Flyers 90.5
Pittsburgh Penguins 102.5
San Jose Sharks 100.5
St. Louis Blues 100.5
Tampa Bay Lightning 105.5
Toronto Maple Leafs 79.5
Vancouver Canucks 76.5
Washington Capitals 106
Winnipeg Jets 85

Vegas odds ARE NOT increased due to fanbase size. That's ridiculous. You are trying to find a lame excuse for the Leafs to be that high. They are good. End of story.

Oilers were the beat team on paper last season? Odds are adjusted based on what people are voting on. Media and fans are a factor. Obviously even delusional fans weren't putting their money down on the Leafs when the organization/media was telling them it's a rebuild.

If you want to make a +650 bet on the Leafs winning the cup be my guest...it's a terrible bet.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Gamblor

Oh but the fun! You're not wrong, but I figure if any bet actually gets made between internet strangers, it would need to be a pretty small amount. Say $10 or $20.

I'll take Anaheim over Calgary in the standings. We can make it a 20 dollar donation to Calgarypuck if you. want