[PGT] Bruins win Shoot-out

[---Hatrick---]

I’d love to see more “mic’d up” throughout the year. Imagine hearing a Tkachuk mic’d up in all the scrums. That would be some good entertainment

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The problem I have with New Era's comments are that they read strongly like a vendetta against advanced possession metrics, and they do not accurately reflect what transpired in the game.

No vendetta. Just my observations about a game. Everyone was raving about the performance of the team, and I didn't see it that way. I saw the same stuff from last season, against a much inferior lineup iced by the Bruins.

Criticism is fine, even if the first pre-season game is a terrible place to be making evaluations. But if such criticism degenerates to cherry-picking, straw-man arguments, and obviously false statements then it is out of line...

So, the problem is not with the presence of criticism. It is with criticism that is blatantly off-the-mark and agenda-driven.

Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

I will agree with you on one point, people look for what they want to see. Some people went looking for a faster team, and they decided they saw that. Some people went looking for an increased skill level, and they decided they saw that. I wanted to see a much different approach to the game, and I didn't see it. I wanted to see a much different approach by a number of players, and I didn't see it. I placed the performance in the context of who they were playing against, and I didn't see what I was looking for. So excuse me for having a different opinion. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else, I was just looking for something else that didn't materialize to my hopes and expectations.

[VilleN]

The analysis happening after one preseason game in China is hilarious. No conclusions can be drawn from a single meaningless game with jet lagged players trying to find chemistry.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by New Era

No vendetta. Just my observations about a game. Everyone was raving about the performance of the team, and I didn't see it that way. I saw the same stuff from last season, against a much inferior lineup iced by the Bruins.



Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

I will agree with you on one point, people look for what they want to see. Some people went looking for a faster team, and they decided they saw that. Some people went looking for an increased skill level, and they decided they saw that. I wanted to see a much different approach to the game, and I didn't see it. I wanted to see a much different approach by a number of players, and I didn't see it. I placed the performance in the context of who they were playing against, and I didn't see what I was looking for. So excuse me for having a different opinion. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else, I was just looking for something else that didn't materialize to my hopes and expectations.

That’s fine. To each their own. You’re entitled to your opinion.
I myself had a very open mind before the game and had my concerns and was sceptical of how they would perform. They under went a lot of change in the off season. Outside of a moment in the first I saw it waaaay different than you

[Cambardi]

Originally Posted by New Era

No vendetta. Just my observations about a game. Everyone was raving about the performance of the team, and I didn't see it that way. I saw the same stuff from last season, against a much inferior lineup iced by the Bruins.



Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

I will agree with you on one point, people look for what they want to see. Some people went looking for a faster team, and they decided they saw that. Some people went looking for an increased skill level, and they decided they saw that. I wanted to see a much different approach to the game, and I didn't see it. I wanted to see a much different approach by a number of players, and I didn't see it. I placed the performance in the context of who they were playing against, and I didn't see what I was looking for. So excuse me for having a different opinion. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else, I was just looking for something else that didn't materialize to my hopes and expectations.

I can’t believe you think a coach can implement a system of play in ONE scrimmage and barely any practice. Some people need to do a reality check.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

I will agree with you on one point, people look for what they want to see. Some people went looking for a faster team, and they decided they saw that. Some people went looking for an increased skill level, and they decided they saw that. I wanted to see a much different approach to the game, and I didn't see it. I wanted to see a much different approach by a number of players, and I didn't see it. I placed the performance in the context of who they were playing against, and I didn't see what I was looking for. So excuse me for having a different opinion. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else, I was just looking for something else that didn't materialize to my hopes and expectations.

Think many made it clear that differing opinions are fine.

People disagreed with you though, which is what you seem to be complaining about, yet are driven by for the last 20 years of looking for an argument on almost everything.

This site isn't driving for narrative, never has, never will.

But the majority of people on this site are fans. Fans can be completely shrouded in denial, or pretty reasonable with a bent towards liking the the team they cheer for.

If you want to be the sober reasonable thought you should grow a thicker skin and get ready to be argued with. It's a Flames site for God's sake, not only is it what you're looking for, it's what is expected

And we don't need to drive for a narrative to get that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

That’s fine. To each their own. You’re entitled to your opinion.
I myself had a very open mind before the game and had my concerns and was sceptical of how they would perform. They under went a lot of change in the off season. Outside of a moment in the first I saw it waaaay different than you

And that's fine. Did I attack you for sharing your views or opinion? Was an inquisition called because you had a different view? It used to be that difference of opinion was a welcomed thing. Now you're accused of having an agenda, or not being a fan, or something else being wrong with you. The sad thing, its from the ones you expect to engage in discussion about why you saw things differently, and not already be entrenched in a belief system. I guess I was hoping for more discussion and less dogpiling.

[djsFlames]

And we were also hoping for more reasonable discussion and less wet blanketing over a preseason game, but to each his own.

I think it's more or less the manner in which you strolled in here to proclaim you had a differing opinion eg. your "surprise surprise!"
There are more civilized ways to interact and debate with fellow fans on a fan board who are enjoying seeing their new look team for the first time in a game that doesn't matter.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by New Era

No vendetta. Just my observations about a game. Everyone was raving about the performance of the team, and I didn't see it that way. I saw the same stuff from last season, against a much inferior lineup iced by the Bruins.



Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

I will agree with you on one point, people look for what they want to see. Some people went looking for a faster team, and they decided they saw that. Some people went looking for an increased skill level, and they decided they saw that. I wanted to see a much different approach to the game, and I didn't see it. I wanted to see a much different approach by a number of players, and I didn't see it. I placed the performance in the context of who they were playing against, and I didn't see what I was looking for. So excuse me for having a different opinion. Doesn't make me any less of a fan than anyone else, I was just looking for something else that didn't materialize to my hopes and expectations.

Hey, don't drag us into this. If we've built up some sort of credibility over the years with well thought out and relatively objective posts, don't be pissed about the idea that our views are challenged less than yours. People challenging you has nothing to do with how anyone else posts on this site, full stop.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by New Era

I saw the same stuff from last season, against a much inferior lineup iced by the Bruins.

Are you sure you watched the game? The Flames looked like a completely different team, with waves of skilled players controlling the majority of play for almost the entire game. Even the announcers talked about how the score did not reflect the game. Ryan, Neil, Lindholm, Czarnik and Hanfin, all new flames, looked great, all contributing to what appeared on the ice to be a lopsided game. Czarnik looked like the best player on the ice, and appeared like he could be the impact player the Flames needed to win games when Johnny and Money aren't doing it.

I can't blame the fans from being excited, considering this was the first time anyone has seen all of those new guys playing together, and they appeared to play great. There really is no argument here. This was a preseason game, but what we saw looked pretty darn good.

[FBI]

That mic'ed up was great, Gio is a great communicator out there

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by New Era

And that's fine. Did I attack you for sharing your views or opinion? Was an inquisition called because you had a different view? It used to be that difference of opinion was a welcomed thing. Now you're accused of having an agenda, or not being a fan, or something else being wrong with you. The sad thing, its from the ones you expect to engage in discussion about why you saw things differently, and not already be entrenched in a belief system. I guess I was hoping for more discussion and less dogpiling.

I’m not attacking you man, I was just baffled that that’s how you saw the game

[Dion]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not off the mark and not driven by an agenda any more than the opposite point of view. It just doesn't comply with the narrative this site is trying to drive. Kind of like trying to defend the dogpile. I get crapped all over for my long 649 word post providing my views of the game, and supporting my particular opinion. It's bad because it doesn't comply with the consensus belief. Meanwhile a 404 word post by Florida Panther's Fan, and a 449 word post by Calgary4Life are pretty much completely ignored and not labeled as agenda filled, because they comply with the belief of the popular kids. The last thing people want to hear, and which is terrifying, is this team looks the same as last season. God forbid anyone would suggest there were not massive improvements, especially when playing against a team that is icing a depleted lineup.

You're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. Making character assasinations of posters on this site isn't going to win you any arguments or get you any credibility. Posters have stated in their arguments why they disagree with your stance and it's up to you to further argue your points or just walk away from the discussion.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by New Era

And that's fine. Did I attack you for sharing your views or opinion? Was an inquisition called because you had a different view? It used to be that difference of opinion was a welcomed thing. Now you're accused of having an agenda, or not being a fan, or something else being wrong with you. The sad thing, its from the ones you expect to engage in discussion about why you saw things differently, and not already be entrenched in a belief system. I guess I was hoping for more discussion and less dogpiling.

This is the approach you're taking, though:

Originally Posted by New Era

Rewatch the game.

That's weak. Not even an "I'll rewatch it too." That doesn't seem like "hoping for more discussion". That sounds more like "Come back when you agree with me."

[dino7c]

Oh man...Philly just lost 3-0 to the Islanders without JT

season over for Flyers fans

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Oh man...Philly just lost 3-0 to the Islanders without JT

season over for Flyers fans

Looked like the same Flyers from last season to me. Same "possession" darlings who spend most of the night in the offensive zone, but get owned when they don't play a perfect game. Same Flyers special teams who rely on the junior-esque drop pass to enter the zone. Same Flyers who give up great scoring opportunities right after scoring. Flyers gave up way too many odd man rushes and high danger scoring opportunities. I really felt bad for Stolarz during the first period, as the team just committed brain fart after brain fart, leading to odd man, high danger scoring opportunities. The Islanders were very good at getting the goaltender moving and never allowing Stolarz to square up to make a save.

[cpltanto]

Originally Posted by FBI

That mic'ed up was great, Gio is a great communicator out there

Agreed!
I always assumed Gio was a more quiet lead by example type but he's alot more vocal than I imagined!

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by cpltanto

Agreed!
I always assumed Gio was a more quiet lead by example type but he's alot more vocal than I imagined!

I like it. Vocal when he needs to be, quiet when he doesn't

[Mr.Coffee]

Quite a fiery* PGT after one preseason game! I like it!

*pun intended

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Quite a fiery* PGT after one preseason game! I like it!

*pun intended

It’s what we lacked last season...

There is no room for complacency, or moral victories after a come from behind SO loss.

Just because it is game 1 of the preseason, doesn’t mean we don’t need to take a long look in the mirror.