[Trade] Karlsson to SJ for Tierney, DeMelo, Norris, Balcers, 1st, 2nd, and 2 cond picks

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by the2bears

Have they? The site I checked had it fairly even the last 10 years, 19-19-2-3 for the Flames.

But .500 isn't really .500 with OT wins.

What was the Sharks record vs. the Flames?

[The Cobra]

I think many over estimated the return for a one year rental of Karlsson.

Because it was always going to take a gazzilon dollars to extend a player who is likely to play most of that contract at below prime years.

There is a world of difference between trading for Norris Trophy winner Karlsson today than, say, what a player like Hedman would bring.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think many over estimated the return for a one year rental of Karlsson.

Because it was always going to take a gazzilon dollars to extend a player who is likely to play most of that contract at below prime years.

There is a world of difference between trading for Norris Trophy winner Karlsson today than, say, what a player like Hedman would bring.

Sure, question I would ask if I was a Senator fan...

Why didn't this trade occur last season?

They really need a blue chip prospect type of return... not maybe type of a asset.

[koop]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think many over estimated the return for a one year rental of Karlsson.

Because it was always going to take a gazzilon dollars to extend a player who is likely to play most of that contract at below prime years.

There is a world of difference between trading for Norris Trophy winner Karlsson today than, say, what a player like Hedman would bring.

Karlsson is like 6 months older than Hedman.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by koop

Karlsson is like 6 months older than Hedman.

That surprised the heck out of me.

But, I think part of the point is Hedman is under contract until 2024-25, at $7.875 per season.

[Split98]

Steve Dangle didn't have much nice to say about it either.

I didn't pickup on this Eastern conference thing though. As if the trade wasn't bad enough... if an Eastern team leaks what they were offering for EK, help Dorion.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You can’t really know that now can you?

I’d say they have the potential to be. With so much parity in the league the improvements they made at forward and potentially in coaching can easily vault from them from non-contender to contender.

neither can gullfloss.
sure they have the potential, as you say. I won't argue that.
I just disagreed with him saying they are stanley cup contenders.

[Roof-Daddy]

Does any other team have two Norris winning Dmen in their line up capable of producing point per game offensive numbers?

Karlsson and Burns are the top two offensive Dmen in the league ovet the last 3 seasons.

[bluejays]

I can't believe people actually watch videos with people screaming at them.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But .500 isn't really .500 with OT wins.

Oh no, not this again!

That debate is mind boggling / bottling.

[TheIronMaiden]

Is this the beginning of a super team era?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But .500 isn't really .500 with OT wins.

What was the Sharks record vs. the Flames?

24-15-4

Over the last 10 seasons head-to-head (regular season):

• San Jose: 19 regulation wins, 2 OT wins, 3 SO wins
• Calgary: 15 regulation wins, 2 OT wins, 2 SO wins

[CaptainYooh]

I hate this... I know it's envy and it's not a good thing, but I sincerely hate this... San Jose, LA, Anaheim will always have more pull to attract superstars due to their nice climate. Looking outside of my window, it's snowing here already... Players and their families, especially those without any roots in Canada, are naturally gravitating towards going to California when the opportunity arises.


SJ has been a perennial playoff team. They are now becoming a perennial Cup contender for a long stretch of time. F...

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I hate this... I know it's envy and it's not a good thing, but I sincerely hate this... San Jose, LA, Anaheim will always have more pull to attract superstars due to their nice climate. Looking outside of my window, it's snowing here already... Players and their families, especially those without any roots in Canada, are naturally gravitating towards going to California when the opportunity arises.


SJ has been a perennial playoff team. They are now becoming a perennial Cup contender for a long stretch of time. F...

I am sure climate is a factor. I would say that the toxic Canadian media and fan base makes their chances of pulling in UFA much worse than the Canadian climate. Besides this was a moot point because Karlsson was traded, he didn't to to SJ based on free will per say.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

neither can gullfloss.
sure they have the potential, as you say. I won't argue that.
I just disagreed with him saying they are stanley cup contenders.

This got me thinking. How likely is it that a team could vault from 84 points the year before to winning the Stanley Cup?

I looked at every season since the lockout of 2005 and the worst prior year record of a team winning the Stanley Cup was the Bruins with 91. Three SC champions had 98 points the year before and the rest were over a hundred.

Personally I need to see some results on the ice before I'd declare any team a SC contender and I don't have the Flames in that bracket.

But if you're looking for hope, the Carolina Hurricanes went from 76 points to SC champions. The catch is that was the longest off season in NHL history. But considering this team has a whole lot of Carolina sprinkled throughout, maybe there's some magic in there.

[getbak]

Welcome to the Pacific Division...

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

neither can gullfloss.
sure they have the potential, as you say. I won't argue that.
I just disagreed with him saying they are stanley cup contenders.

Meh...depends on definitions. Here's mine.

8 stanley cup favourites (greater than 1-in-15 odds): WSH, PIT, BOS, TBL, NAS, WPG, SJ, TOR

14 stanely cup contenders (1-in-15 to 1-in-50 odds): STL, EDM, LAK, ANA, VGS, NJD, COL, MIN, CHI, CGY, CLB, DAL, PHI, ANA

9 bottom feeders (less than 1-in-50 odds): DET, OTT, ARZ, VAN, NYR, NYI, MON, CAR, BUF

[Strange Brew]

^ well it’s in the eye of the beholder but a 50-1 underdog in a 31 team league doesn’t sound like a contender.

Nor does a 15 to 1 shot seem like a “favorite”.

I’d say there are no favorites and you could move the contender status to that first group essentially.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

^ well it’s in the eye of the beholder but a 50-1 underdog in a 31 team league doesn’t sound like a contender.

Nor does a 15 to 1 shot seem like a “favorite”.

I’d say there are no favorites and you could move the contender status to that first group essentially.

Thats the way of sports. I think if a team is objectively a 1-in-10 chance to win the cup before the season starts they're probably seen as consensus the best team in the league.

I see where youre coming from but there is a huge difference between a 2% chance and a 10% chance. So I wouldn't lump them together.

Favourite group: 50-65% chance of winning the cup
contender group: 35-50% chance of winning the cup
Bottom feeder group: 0-5% chance of winning cup

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Thats the way of sports. I think if a team is objectively a 1-in-10 chance to win the cup before the season starts they're probably seen as consensus the best team in the league.

I see where youre coming from but there is a huge difference between a 2% chance and a 10% chance. So I wouldn't lump them together.

Favourite group: 50-65% chance of winning the cup
contender group: 35-50% chance of winning the cup
Bottom feeder group: 0-5% chance of winning cup

Where are you getting those numbers? They are much too high.