[Trade] Karlsson to SJ for Tierney, DeMelo, Norris, Balcers, 1st, 2nd, and 2 cond picks - Page 13 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

GullFoss · 09-13-2018, 02:49 PM

This likely foreshadows that Pavelski and/or Thorton are gone after this season.

You Need a Thneed · 09-13-2018, 02:53 PM

So, If the Sharks trade Karlsson during the season to an Eastern team, and also go on to win the Stanley Cup this year, the picks going to Ottawa become:

2019 Second Rounder
2020 First Rounder
2021 First Rounder
2022 First Rounder

I mean, those conditions are pretty far fetched, and not likely to happen, but theoretically...

TheKurgan · 09-13-2018, 02:56 PM

I feel bad for Sens fans. It's going to take a long, long time to recover from this dumpster fire of an off season.

Sharks are going to be scary good

Spinach · 09-13-2018, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

He might actually have won. Then Karlsson doesn't re-sign in Calgary, and the team is out yet another 1st-round pick and has trashed its depth for nothing.

‘Be careful what you ask for, because you might get it.’

This isn't a good deal for Ottawa, but if it's true that none of this is contingent on Karlsson re-signing with San Jose, it could blow up in the Sharks' face very badly.

Precisely. It would have been terrible for Treliving to move another 1st for a player who'd either bounce after one year or eat up way too much cap space in forthcoming seasons.

The Sharks are just two seasons removed from a Cup Final appearance, and are in a different situation from the Flames. If they don't go deep in the playoffs and don't re-sign EK, they'll have essentially lost some decent players and 1st/2nd-rounders for, what, regular-season success? Yeah, they've never tasted that before.

GordonBlue · 09-13-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

So, If the Sharks trade Karlsson during the season to an Eastern team, and also go on to win the Stanley Cup this year, the picks going to Ottawa become:

2019 Second Rounder
2020 First Rounder
2021 First Rounder
2022 First Rounder

I mean, those conditions are pretty far fetched, and not likely to happen, but theoretically...

but if they won the cup if would be worth every one of those picks.

theslymonkey · 09-13-2018, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

So, If the Sharks trade Karlsson during the season to an Eastern team, and also go on to win the Stanley Cup this year, the picks going to Ottawa become:

2019 Second Rounder
2020 First Rounder
2021 First Rounder
2022 First Rounder

I mean, those conditions are pretty far fetched, and not likely to happen, but theoretically...

Except if the Sharks trade EK to a team in the east, you have to assume that they are getting at least a first back.

djsFlames · 09-13-2018, 03:08 PM

Ah well.

1. Sharks
2. Flames
3. Knights

PugnaciousIntern · 09-13-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

This likely foreshadows that Pavelski and/or Thorton are gone after this season.

I'm not confident Thornton will be able to play much longer regardless of the team situation. His injuries have really been adding up

You Need a Thneed · 09-13-2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Except if the Sharks trade EK to a team in the east, you have to assume that they are getting at least a first back.

Also not likely that they trade him away if they are in any way looking like a cup contender.

Buff · 09-13-2018, 03:26 PM

Erik Karlsson is the 3rd highest paid defenseman... on his team.

blankall · 09-13-2018, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

This likely foreshadows that Pavelski and/or Thorton are gone after this season.

I think both of those guys are just getting older. I always think of Pavelski as being the next wave of players for the Sharks, but he's 34 now. The Sharks are probably just trying to make a run while they still have scoring depth playing to a reasonable level. This could be a thank you to Thornton to give him one last shot at the cup too.

RyZ · 09-13-2018, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

I think both of those guys are just getting older. I always think of Pavelski as being the next wave of players for the Sharks, but he's 34 now. The Sharks are probably just trying to make a run while they still have scoring depth playing to a reasonable level. This could be a thank you to Thornton to give him one last shot at the cup too.

Brent Burns is 33 as well. Could be lots of turn over in SJ over the next couple of seasons.

jayswin · 09-13-2018, 03:54 PM

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Its surreal the level of dillusion and willful blindness of these callers. I assume that most have just don't have it in them to even pick up the phone. Man...they might draw like 8000 fans per game this year.

They're going to force Melynk to sell the team at a terrible price because the franchise is going to be so unprofitable!

I looked at a couple games that don't involve Habs or Leafs during the week and they look to have 7 - 8k sold and I honestly don't see more than a smattering of further sales or walk ups happening at this point. Plus, how many of those are season ticket holders that won't actually show up to most games?

There'll assuredly be some comical crowds this season.

Puppet Guy · 09-13-2018, 04:15 PM

Couple of gems from the interwebz:

smiggy77 · 09-13-2018, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Ottawa gets players, picks AND cap space. People rarely seem to weigh that last part.

You do know that they don't spend to the cap right? They have an internal cap and if I'm not mistaken, haven't ever spent to the cap.

Jordan! · 09-13-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Saqe

I think it'll will be a battle between Vegas, LA and the Flames.

If SJ gets Karlsson they'll take the division.

The Coyotes will be above all 3 teams

Or I'll eat some pubes

TheIronMaiden · 09-13-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

The Coyotes will be above all 3 teams

Or I'll eat some pubes

Quoted for postarity

Flames Draft Watcher · 09-13-2018, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

The Coyotes will be above all 3 teams

Or I'll eat some pubes

Good one!

agulati · 09-13-2018, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smiggy77

You do know that they don't spend to the cap right? They have an internal cap and if I'm not mistaken, haven't ever spent to the cap.

I think what was meant by the previous poster is that the monetary relief they get for a year of rebuild has some value, especially if they have an internal cap.

Jay Random · 09-13-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by agulati

I think what was meant by the previous poster is that the monetary relief they get for a year of rebuild has some value, especially if they have an internal cap.

That could be… but it may be more than offset by the ticket sales they'll lose for years to come. It's going to be hard to win their fan base back after this debacle.