Big Brother 20

[Calgary14]

So absolutely no surprise Tyler puts up Scottie and Haleigh, veto will be way more interesting than tonight's episode. JC is playing way too many angles and Tyler is catching on to him

[Oling_Roachinen]

I think JC could have been a really good player on other seasons. His biggest issue was that he wasn't able to solidify a strong alliance for himself. He has been able to achieve some strong bonds with players, like Fessy, Sam and Tyler. But it seems like he almost has a jealousy issue. Instead of getting close to Angela and Kaycee through Tyler, or Scottie and Haleigh through Fessy, he's wanted to break them up.

Maybe unfortunate for him that this season has such a strong, cohesive, trusting and (somehow) secret alliance, one of the best at that since the Brigade. In other seasons (or even if somehow Rachel stayed instead of Brett) he may have been able to severe bonds between the alliance, instead he's just been used as a tool by it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Calgary14

If only they would all compare notes on what Tyler's been telling them. He basically has a final 2 deal with everyone

Yeah, but I think that's easier said then done. If you truly thought you had a final 2 deal with Tyler and could trust him at this point, why would you tell anyone else? Could just as easily blow up your own game at this point.

Like if Brett tells the rest of the house that Tyler has a final 2 with him and no one else does, that just means that Brett and Tyler become the biggest targets in the game. For Brett it probably makes sense to do that in the final 5 or 4 range when he can be like "look, I have a final 2 with Tyler but he's too likable to actually take there. I want to take you" to Kaycee and then she'll be like "Oh snap, I have a final 2 with him" and they can work to get him out.

Not to mention the last two HOH have been Tyler and Angela. So there's no need to rock the boat when you can't do anything about it anyways.

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Potential jury votes discussion:

Spoiler!

I haven't watched Sunday's episode yet so I don't know if they've showed it, but if what Scottie is saying on the feeds is true about each of the FOUTTE jury members picking one person they don't want to win in the end and all agreeing that the people they pick will get no votes in the end, then from guessing and process of elimination:



Bayleigh - Tyler
Rockstar - Brett
Fessy - Probably Angela
Scottie - JC?
Hayleigh - Sam? (For her women's empowerment comments), JC? (For his harassment), Angela?

Kaycee is the only one who I can safely say hasn't outright pissed any of them off, so I think Tyler taking her to F2 would be a huge mistake. He needs to take Angela.

[savardandjokinen]

https://imgur.com/aLcO1nh

Rigged? Not a spoiler just a pic from the HOH comp

[Oling_Roachinen]

I believe that Kaycee said that you needed to keep a foot on the stand insinuating that you couldn't sit on it. If someone wanted to keep themselves up by their arms without sitting on it they would have been more than likely able to try - and last all of 10 seconds.

Also, I wouldn't considered that rigged. At best a missed call/ambiguous rule.

And, while obviously coached what to say in the diary room, who knows what the rules actually said. They could have just asked Kaycee to explain the rules and what made it hard, and that was her not-completely-correct recollection of the rules.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Tyler definitely broke the rules. But since he’s already announced noms it’s unlikely anything comes of it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realvegas...31387229413379

[Oling_Roachinen]

We have different definitions for "definitely." The twitter person, although a couple legit spoilers, is wrong more so than right and simply craves attention.

The twitter chain has a video of JC, Angela and Tyler discussing strategy and JC suggests that your feet needed to stay on while Tyler said you didn't and his came off, so there's some uncertainty. It all comes down to the rules read to them.

Although, if Big Brother was actually trying to rig it, they could have simply not shown that part of the video to the masses. Could be a mistake, a missed call, but not intentional.

[savardandjokinen]

My rigged saying was more of a joke tbh, just said it because Tyler seems to have everything go right for him. I don't think big brother rigs and wouldn't for anyone

[Jason14h]

Rating would be higher with Haleigh winning competition anyways. They don’t want the alliance in final 4! It’s starting to get boring.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Watched veto and eviction episodes b2b tonight.

It occurred to me that Tyler is gonna lose because of his poor ability to lie to people. Haleigh called him out for it in DR that he’s so bad at lying. He just beats around the bush. It makes him seem sketchy. I think he loses to both Angela or KC. I only see him beating JC or Sam. Hard to say if he’s F2 with Brett.

[d_phaneuf]

Im all for funny speeches on eviction night or veto, brett has been great this year

Scottie just looked like an a hole tonight though

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Watched veto and eviction episodes b2b tonight.

It occurred to me that Tyler is gonna lose because of his poor ability to lie to people. Haleigh called him out for it in DR that he’s so bad at lying. He just beats around the bush. It makes him seem sketchy. I think he loses to both Angela or KC. I only see him beating JC or Sam. Hard to say if he’s F2 with Brett.

I think kaycee wins if she makes f2 vs anyone left

Jury seems to hate angela so i dont see it

Brett v tyler would be pretty close

I think this jury is going to be super bitter

Jc wont beat anyone once its exposed that he wasnt in L6, sam seems to be on peoples nerves too much, but maybe she beats jc

[Oling_Roachinen]

I was just half paying attention, but did Derrick and Julie keep saying that all houseguests could win and Derrick give a breakdown of why for each and then leave out Sam?

I think he forgot she was even in this, much like his version of Victoria.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Yeah he left out Sam.

Also, Scottie's eviction speech was terrible. I almost feel bad for the guy. He's clearly a bit awkward and thought he was pulling off a big Brett type speech and it came across as immature and misogynistic. I'm all for some trash talk but the comments that got bleeped weren't in the least bit funny and made him sound like a neckbeard loser.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Bitter "superfans" are the worst. Like you can expect that from the casual players and idiotic players like Fessy, that comes with the territory and requires players to manage the jury. But any self-proclaimed fan should be able to vote on gameplay and realize that it's a game. Scottie being bitter just makes him a sore loser right now.

Scottie: "Tyler's a coward just doing what the house wants, doesn't make his own decisions."
Julie: "Let's see the good bye messages."
Literally everyone: "Tyler wanted you out, nothing I could do."
Tyler: "Sorry bud, I wanted you out. I've actually be in control the whole season."
Scottie: "Tyler's a coward."

Hopefully he simmers down and realize he got played by a great player.

Also I gave credit to Julie for that disaster of an interview with Rockstar, she was able to salvage it about as much as possible. But this one with Scottie was just cringy, not even Julie could pretend to enjoy his antics.

[Calgary14]

Derek's interview with Julie was interesting; he basically said Tyler is the front runner but that he couldn't beat Kaycee and may have too many F2 deals on the go, and of course he can't lie well so just looks shady. JC is on to him as well and may make side deals with the others. Even Brett is picking up on it. I think Tyler's showmance is hurting his game

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Bitter "superfans" are the worst. Like you can expect that from the casual players and idiotic players like Fessy, that comes with the territory and requires players to manage the jury. But any self-proclaimed fan should be able to vote on gameplay and realize that it's a game. Scottie being bitter just makes him a sore loser right now.

Scottie: "Tyler's a coward just doing what the house wants, doesn't make his own decisions."
Julie: "Let's see the good bye messages."
Literally everyone: "Tyler wanted you out, nothing I could do."
Tyler: "Sorry bud, I wanted you out. I've actually be in control the whole season."
Scottie: "Tyler's a coward."

Hopefully he simmers down and realize he got played by a great player.

Also I gave credit to Julie for that disaster of an interview with Rockstar, she was able to salvage it about as much as possible. But this one with Scottie was just cringy, not even Julie could pretend to enjoy his antics.

I'm always baffled by the cult of personality. Not only does Scottie call Tyler a coward but in every single interview he's given (on CBS or otherwise), he says he would join Tyler when back in the house. It's bizarre. It's like people get so afraid to speak up and play a game that they turn into lemmings and just walk themselves out of the house. It's painful to watch.

[mile]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

I think kaycee wins if she makes f2 vs anyone left

I think so too. And she would be a deserving winner IMO.

Tyler's goodbye message to Scottie was awful, came across as really disingenuous. Unless he's sitting next to Angela or maybe Sam I think he's heading to a final 2 loss. With Paul and Ross' losses in recent seasons, bitter juries aren't an excuse anymore. Jury management is just as important as the gameplay moves.

[Machiavelli]

Kaycee has played incredibly. Lay low in the beginning, won comps when she needed to, hasn't done or said anything malicious, incredibly loyal to her alliance but kind to the other side.

It hasn't been some crazy mastermind evil genius game, but I hope she wins.