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rubecube · 09-07-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DropIt

The CFL had a game this year where Edmonton beat Toronto 16-15, in which there were three "good try" single points scored.

Yeah

Looks like I missed a real thriller last week when Montreal beat Ottawa 21-11 and exactly one touchdown was scored. Real offensive fireworks!

Erick Estrada · 09-07-2018, 11:55 AM

I love both leagues but IMO on a game to game basis I would say the CFL offers a little more excitement than an NFL game. CFL games move faster with less time between snaps, bigger plays, and defenses aren't as good. Last night was an example of two defenses playing really well and it was just ugly. You don't get that as quite much in the CFL. The great thing about the NFL is that there are so many games on Sunday that you can skip the bad ones to watch the good ones. CFL only has four games a week so the bad games are harder to hide.

rubecube · 09-07-2018, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I love both leagues but IMO on a game to game basis I would say the CFL offers a little more excitement than an NFL game. CFL games move faster with less time between snaps, bigger plays, and defenses aren't as good. Last night was an example of two defenses playing really well and it was just ugly. You don't get that as quite much in the CFL.

I think I'd be more inclined to agree if the bigger plays were a result of better skill, but they're not. They're a result of less skill and rules designed to make the game more like sandlot game than a professional sport.

EDIT: I will agree with the point about commercials though. The NFL has way too many stoppages in play.

Erick Estrada · 09-07-2018, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

I think I'd be more inclined to agree if the bigger plays were a result of better skill, but they're not. They're a result of less skill and rules designed to make the game more like sandlot game than a professional sport.

EDIT: I will agree with the point about commercials though. The NFL has way too many stoppages in play.

Some merit to that but a lot of ex-NFL guys crash and burn in the CFL. Also I don't necessarily agree about less skill. CFL gets a lot of very skilled college players that are undersized for the NFL. There's no doubt a lot of the Canadian University players are lesser skilled and probably holds the league back but I don't think the ratio is going anywhere. CFL is older than the NFL and a lot of it's rules were in place prior to the NFL. I think you like many are simply conditioned to the NFL's rules more.

rubecube · 09-07-2018, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Some merit to that but a lot of ex-NFL guys crash and burn in the CFL. Also I don't necessarily agree about less skill. CFL gets a lot of very skilled college players that are undersized for the NFL.

The ex-NFL guys are usually guys who weren't good enough to be in the NFL in the first place (i.e. Manziel) or guys that are past their prime (Ochocinco, Ricky Williams, etc.).

To your second point, you had 35 year-old, 5'5" Darren Sproles playing last night. Baker Mayfield just got taken first overall. Drew Brees is a Hall of Fame quarterback. If you're good enough to play in the NFL, your size doesn't matter.

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CFL is older than the NFL and a lot of it's rules were in place prior to the NFL. I think you like many are simply conditioned to the NFL's rules more.

Not really. I grew up on the CFL and was a big CFL fan for a long time, long before I became an NFL fan. When I started to get more into the NFL and understand the game better, I pretty quickly grew disenchanted with the CFL.

Erick Estrada · 09-07-2018, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

The ex-NFL guys are usually guys who weren't good enough to be in the NFL in the first place (i.e. Manziel) or guys that are past their prime (Ochocinco, Ricky Williams, etc.).

To your second point, you had 35 year-old, 5'5" Darren Sproles playing last night. Baker Mayfield just got taken first overall. Drew Brees is a Hall of Fame quarterback. If you're good enough to play in the NFL, your size doesn't matter.

Not really. I grew up on the CFL and was a big CFL fan for a long time, long before I became an NFL fan. When I started to get more into the NFL and understand the game better, I pretty quickly grew disenchanted with the CFL.

NFL is obsessed with measurables like size. It's why Russell Wilson inexplicably slipped to the 3rd round. A lot of scouts considered Mayfield's height a detriment as remember he wasn't the top ranked QB. Size matters or Flutie wouldn't have been exiled to the CFL for half his career. The small NFL players are the exception not the norm and you listed offensive players. There's little if any room for undersized players on NFL defenses.

You being disenchanted with the CFL game is simply your personal feelings and not an indictment on the CFL game itself. I've been watching both leagues since I was 11 years old and I have managed to love both leagues for what they are. Different strokes for different folks but then again I've always been a guy that has never felt I had to side with any particular brand as I buy all the Sony and Microsoft consoles, owned 3/4 of all car brands, have voted Liberal and CP, drink Coke and Pepsi, etc. If I was single I may even consider an android phone but with my family entrenched in Apple it's just not a prudent decision. Bottom line is that I don't think liking the NFL means you have to look down on the CFL as it's a good brand of football.

rubecube · 09-07-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Bottom line is that I don't think liking the NFL means you have to look down on the CFL as it's a good brand of football.

It just comes down to a matter of time and priorities. I already follow four sports pretty heavily (NHL, MLB, NFL, and EPL/CL). There aren't really any of those that I'm willing to sacrifice to spend time following the CFL as they all provide me with much more entertainment vs. time invested. I think the biggest problem the CFL has going for it is that regular season is about as low stakes as it gets when 2/3 of the league gets into the playoffs.

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Looks like I missed a real thriller last week when Montreal beat Ottawa 21-11 and exactly one touchdown was scored. Real offensive fireworks!

Says the guy who heavily follows MLB and EPL! hahaha

You couldn't pay 90% of canadians to watch that crap on a weekly basis.

Do you still have the 5-0 Browns/Eagles game on your PVR from 2 weeks ago? haha

rubecube · 09-07-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Says the guy who heavily follows MLB and EPL! hahaha

You couldn't pay 90% of canadians to watch that crap on a weekly basis.

Do you still have the 5-0 Browns/Eagles game on your PVR from 2 weeks ago? haha

Sick burns, bra. Keep up the solid work.

And if we're talking ratings and attendance, it looks like you can't really pay most Canadians to watch the CFL either.

Cecil Terwilliger · 09-07-2018, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Sick burns, bra. Keep up the solid work.

And if we're talking ratings and attendance, it looks like you can't really pay most Canadians to watch the CFL either.

CFL has excellent tv ratings.

nik- · 09-07-2018, 07:33 PM

Compared to darts?

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 07:59 PM

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Compared to darts?

Talk about knowing nothing about ratings. Talk to me when darts draws in 4 million people for the World Darts Championships.

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rubecube

Sick burns, bra. Keep up the solid work.

And if we're talking ratings and attendance, it looks like you can't really pay most Canadians to watch the CFL either.

You might want to look up some stats before dismissing CFL TV ratings. Most games outdraw the NFL every week. MLB baseball, forget about it without the Jays in a pennant race. Now talking about dart ratings, thats about what you get with EPL.

MacDaddy77 · 09-07-2018, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Talk about knowing nothing about ratings. Talk to me when darts draws in 4 million people for the World Darts Championships.

http://www.smg-insight.com/darts-big...han-you-think/

In the UK, darts’ biggest market, overall TV viewership for the 2016 PDC World Championship (which took place between 17 December 2015 and 3 January 2016) was 6.86 million – up 19.2% on 2014.

Old stats but just weighing in because your cherry picking to suit your argument

Fact is, other than the grey cup and Saskatchewan most cfl stadiums are 75%attendance or less for your average game

MacDaddy77 · 09-07-2018, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You might want to look up some stats before dismissing CFL TV ratings. Most games outdraw the NFL every week. MLB baseball, forget about it without the Jays in a pennant race. Now talking about dart ratings, thats about what you get with EPL.

Where are you getting your stats from? These took me 2 minutes to find on my phone!

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/21/tv...-trounced-nfl/

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

http://www.smg-insight.com/darts-big...han-you-think/

In the UK, darts’ biggest market, overall TV viewership for the 2016 PDC World Championship (which took place between 17 December 2015 and 3 January 2016) was 6.86 million – up 19.2% on 2014.

Old stats but just weighing in because your cherry picking to suit your argument

Fact is, other than the grey cup and Saskatchewan most cfl stadiums are 75%attendance or less for your average game

In Canada though? Whats the number? 25,000?
I used to follow this guy on yahoo sports canada who would publish weekly TV sports ratings for Canada.
Formula 1 which is the number 1 viewed sports in the world with like 400 million viewers a race only draws 150,000 viewers in Canada. CFL telecasts average around 500,000 viewers a game.

DropIt · 09-07-2018, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You might want to look up some stats before dismissing CFL TV ratings. Most games outdraw the NFL every week. MLB baseball, forget about it without the Jays in a pennant race. Now talking about dart ratings, thats about what you get with EPL.

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1.) The most-watched weekly NFL game in Canada — late afternoon on Sundays — usually draws more Canadian TV viewers each weekend than every other sports event except for the early Hockey Night in Canada NHL game on Saturdays.

2.) Indeed, young Canadian adults may rank among the NFL’s fastest growing group of fans anywhere.

3.) Last weekend’s Sunday late-afternoon NFL game, Dallas-Pittsburgh on CTV, outdrew even the CFL Eastern semifinal game — 981,000 to 903,000. The Western semi drew 1.06 million. Both CFL games were on TSN

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpost.com/sports/football/nfl/canadians-loving-the-nfl-this-season-as-tv-ratings-run-opposite-to-the-dips-in-american-viewership/amp

Is #Fakenews what kids are saying these days?

MacDaddy77 · 09-07-2018, 08:13 PM

Maybe not darts but for sure the cfl doesn’t get more viewers than the

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/21/tv...-trounced-nfl/

last Sunday.

The Montreal Alouettes game against the Ottawa Redblacks started at 1 p.m. EST on Sunday, meaning it went head-to-head with early NFL games on CTV. The results weren’t pretty.

The CFL game drew an average audience of 190,000 on TSN while the NFL contest registered 461,000. The Toronto Blue Jays, who started just after 2 p.m. EST, drew an average audience of 516,000 – despite the team being more or less out of playoff contention.

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Where are you getting your stats from? These took me 2 minutes to find on my phone!

http://3downnation.com/2017/09/21/tv...-trounced-nfl/

Did you even read your article? Scroll down and tell me who won the week... geeze. 561 is bigger than 461

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The game was marred by technical difficulties early on and wasn’t particularly close or compelling, save the self-immolation performed by Montreal quarterback Darian Durant. It was the lowest-rated game of the CFL season.

Saskatchewan’s win over the Hamilton Tiger-Cats on Friday night was the most-watched game of the weekend, drawing an average of 561,000 viewers on TSN.

Week 13 was something of a return to earth for the league after two strong weeks. The Labour Day game between Saskatchewan and Winnipeg drew 818,000 while the second-half of the home-and-set between Calgary and Edmonton posted 751,000. However, no CFL game has topped 1 million viewers on TSN this season.

Johnny Makarov · 09-07-2018, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DropIt

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nationalpost.com/sports/football/nfl/canadians-loving-the-nfl-this-season-as-tv-ratings-run-opposite-to-the-dips-in-american-viewership/amp

Is #Fakenews what kids are saying these days?

better than #oldnews. Nothing more recent then 2016? haha

and like i said most games. I think the NFL with Sunday night football sweeps the weekend every week now.

Anyways my original point was that game last nite was boring and terrible as crap before all the Republican-type love for the NFL jumped in.
The NFL is awesome for pools, fantasy and betting though and it kicks the CFL ass a million times fold.