UPD: Hanifin says he is "super close" to signing. Wants at least 5 yr deal.

[Nelson]

I predict Hamilton will be awesome in Carolina, just like he was in Boston and Calgary regardless who his partner was..

[---Hatrick---]

He was awesome at times. Awesome with Chara and then with Giordano. Hopefully he does well. I liked what he brought offensively, he just left a lot to be desired for a 6’5 D man

[djsFlames]

2 seasons and I think the trade with Carolina will be a clear win, provided that Fox doesn't stay there and turn into something significant.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

2 seasons and I think the trade with Carolina will be a clear win, provided that Fox doesn't stay there and turn into something significant.

Fox was never signing with Calgary and they knew that. How he does in Carolina is not a factor in judging this trade from Calgary’s perspective.


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[LIP MAN]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Fox was never signing with Calgary and they knew that. How he does in Carolina is not a factor in judging this trade from Calgary’s perspective.


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It's too bad. From most perspectives he's going to be a really good player. But this was a great piece of asset management. Plus there was no hint that he wasn't going to sign until after the trade was made. Tre did a great job imho.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by LIP MAN

It's too bad. From most perspectives he's going to be a really good player. But this was a great piece of asset management. Plus there was no hint that he wasn't going to sign until after the trade was made. Tre did a great job imho.

Credit Fox also for keeping that news between him and Calgary.

[Northendzone]

I will be really excited when I hear he is super duper close

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

He was awesome at times. Awesome with Chara and then with Giordano. Hopefully he does well. I liked what he brought offensively, he just left a lot to be desired for a 6’5 D man

Yes, he was awesome at times and awful at times, hence the ever-changing title of the Woes/Whoas of Dougie Hamilton thread.

To me, he was a good but not elite top pairing right D whose play was significantly elevated by being with Gio.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I predict Hamilton will be awesome in Carolina, just like he was in Boston and Calgary regardless who his partner was..

I predict his offensive game will improve slightly and his defensive game will regress greatly. I also predict that we will win the trade by a landslide.

[FlamesAddiction]

Hamiltoe just doesn't seems to have that extra drive to win. He is a clock puncher. He has some elite skills, so he will always be a decent contributor, but I personally don't believe he will ever be the type of player that is a leader on the team.

Hanifin might not have all the same skill level (although he could get there), but he leaves it all out on the ice every shift.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Fox was never signing with Calgary and they knew that. How he does in Carolina is not a factor in judging this trade from Calgary’s perspective.

It'll be pretty easy to declare us the winner if we take Ferland and Fox out of it cause we think they weren't going to sign here. Too bad that's not how it works - Fox's camp maintains they never said they wouldn't sign here and regardless, BT still had 2 years to convince him otherwise. Even if Fox doesn't want to sign here, he's still a valuable trade chip and it's BT's job to figure out which teams he's open to signing with and maximize the return.

Pretty hard to argue Fox's value to our team was absolutely zero, whether you think he was signing here or not.

[カナダ人です]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

It'll be pretty easy to declare us the winner if we take Ferland and Fox out of it cause we think they weren't going to sign here. t.

Weird logic. I guess if Carolina didn't think Hanafin and/or Lindholm would sign there, they could "take them out" of the trade and be considered huge winners!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

Weird logic. I guess if Carolina didn't think Hanafin and/or Lindholm would sign there, they could "take them out" of the trade and be considered huge winners!

There is a difference in that at the end of Ferland's contract (next off-season) he is a UFA, and Fox will also be a UFA if he doesn't sign.
The players the Flames got back are under team control.
I don't agree though that we should look at it as Ferland/Fox having no value. However, I do agree there contract status (or lack thereof) is an important element of the deal.

Interesting to see where Fox is ranked in some of the annuals
- THN has him as the #4 prospect behind Svechinkov, Mecas and Bean (all really good prospects) and ahead of the likes of Foegele, Kuokkanen and Drury (seems right to me)
- Forecaster has him much lower. #11 on the Carolina list behind those mentioned above and a bunch others including Saarela, Roy, Nedelijkovic and a guy they signed out of Europe as a free agent (Maenalanen).

So even how one perceives Fox as a prospect right now could be widely variable and impact perceptions of the deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

...Pretty hard to argue Fox's value to our team was absolutely zero, whether you think he was signing here or not.

I have seen two streams of thought running on his site about Fox's part in this deal: One has viewed that since there was a high chance he would not sign a contract to play in Calgary next year that he was just a "throw in" on this deal. The other that his value was an important part of sealing it. I tend to think that the second view is more accurate than the first, but that Fox's trade value has also been grossly exaggerated by a number of Flames fans. He is a promising prospect with flaws in his game that has yet to play a game in the NHL, and is at best a year away from making his NHL debut. These sorts of players are not worth much—I think that circumstances and his relative value made it an easy decision for Treliving to include him in the deal, but also that his potential was enough to entice Carolina to consummate the trade.

I still think this is a really good trade for both teams, and I suspect that there will never be a clear "winner" or "loser" in the end. Both teams are potentially better for it. Not every NHL deal is a zero-sum game.

[csnarpy]

At the end of the day, I just want to end up calling Fox by his real name “Tom”

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hamiltoe just doesn't seems to have that extra drive to win. He is a clock puncher. He has some elite skills, so he will always be a decent contributor, but I personally don't believe he will ever be the type of player that is a leader on the team.

Hanifin might not have all the same skill level (although he could get there), but he leaves it all out on the ice every shift.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hamiltoe just doesn't seems to have that extra drive to win. He is a clock puncher. He has some elite skills, so he will always be a decent contributor, but I personally don't believe he will ever be the type of player that is a leader on the team.

Hanifin might not have all the same skill level (although he could get there), but he leaves it all out on the ice every shift.

Was the nickname on purpose? Because it’s hilarious.

[calumniate]

Not too much talk of lindholm of late. Can't wait to see him play

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Hamiltoe just doesn't seems to have that extra drive to win.

Cannot be unseen

[kman35ca]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have seen two streams of thought running on his site about Fox's part in this deal: One has viewed that since there was a high chance he would not sign a contract to play in Calgary next year that he was just a "throw in" on this deal. The other that his value was an important part of sealing it. I tend to think that the second view is more accurate than the first, but that Fox's trade value has also been grossly exaggerated by a number of Flames fans. He is a promising prospect with flaws in his game that has yet to play a game in the NHL, and is at best a year away from making his NHL debut. These sorts of players are not worth much—I think that circumstances and his relative value made it an easy decision for Treliving to include him in the deal, but also that his potential was enough to entice Carolina to consummate the trade.

I still think this is a really good trade for both teams, and I suspect that there will never be a clear "winner" or "loser" in the end. Both teams are potentially better for it. Not every NHL deal is a zero-su, game.

I tend to believe this is a dead on descriptor of the trade. To add on, I think we also got to realize that Hamilton might not have had exactly as high of trade value as we all might think. Just the fact that he would be on the market for the second time before he turns 25 has got to raise a few GM's eyebrows.

And I think it's naive to think that other GM's and scouts don't hear about a player who is possibly causing problems off the ice, or don't see what most of us see. Dougie struggling without a seasoned vet to cover his arse. Chara in Boston, and Gio here. Or the lazy penalties he would take at bad times in a game. And his weak board play in his own zone. Plus, when he'd take a shot from that spot he liked to shoot, just high of the hash marks. If he missed, it would usually lead to a quick break out, and a possible two on one chance for the other team. And he wasn't usually fast enough, or had enough give a "f" factor to get back to help out. And I did find him to be way to casual in must win scenarios, IMO. But that seemed like the whole team last year if that matters.

They might have wanted an Anderson, Kylington, or even a Valimaki thrown in. And he countered with Fox. All hypothetical, but probably alot of dynamics we will never know about.

And in the end, Fox could become a stud D-man having a +15 year career in the NHL winning a cup. Or he could be an AHL Tweener, or playing in Europe in a few years. To hard to predict at this point.

All I know is I like this roster ALOT more than last years roster. And think we are at least a yearly playoff team. On paper anyway...Only worries are, coaching, but not really. Peter's seems like a good coach. And in reality, can't get worse than GG last year... Than Smiths health, and our back ups not taking a step forward this year. That's why I hope BT has a plan ready for this. We, and HE can't afford a repeat of last years end of the season debacle. That was unbearable. I pretty much stopped watching games after that.