360, PS3 or Wii

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I also bought Madden - not usually into those games. The control style really gets you into the game and I'm sure will only improve with time. Haven't seen the "limited" memory as a factor yet.

He's just making that memory part up and not understanding what memory actually is. He's pretty much anti-Wii as far as the Wii thread goes. It's like saying Mazda RX-8's suck since they don't have enough cams.

[20-12-22]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

He's just making that memory part up and not understanding what memory actually is. He's pretty much anti-Wii as far as the Wii thread goes. It's like saying Mazda RX-8's suck since they don't have enough cams.

Really then all those reports coming out when the specs were revealed are clueless too, my bad i forgot that 64MB can keep any amount data ready just like that. Next thing youll tell me is that a game on a cartridge can whole alot of data. Fact is if they want to add next generation technology to games like hockey and madden and keep all the extras like franchise mode or new modes they need to add data and programming, not just porting from other consoles. And eventually having a limited amount of memory will catch up. Will it matter for the party games, not one bit. But if you think games like madden and such arent extensive your crazy, and if you think there gonna come out with a version modelled for the wii its gonna require power.

And i never said i hated the console i said it was pretty fun for hte hour i tried it but i wouldnt buy it. And it definately does have the software support i would enjoy.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

Here are the the 3 questions I have about each console..

PS3 - Why didn't they change the shape of those horrible controllers?
Wii - Why didn't they put some actual next gen graphics in it? (And no, the answer 'they aren't targeting people looking for good graphics'...hell ps2 and xbox have better graphics than it does)
360 - Why the hell can't they make the games backwards compatiable with orginal xbox, especially when they release 2 systems so close together and people spend $100's if not $1000's on games and accessories?

I'll be buying a 360 after christmas sometime.

I take issue with the bolded statement just based on the fact that the Wii while not "next-gen" graphics, it is a beefed-up version of the Gamecube, which - I know this may shock Sony fanboys - has BETTER graphics than the PS2, and was comparable to the Xbox - so saying that the Wii has worse graphics than the Xbox or PS2 is just plain wrong.

[Human Torch]

I own both the 360 and PS3. After this years NHL07 on 360, I'll start buying the sports games for PS3 only as it can support more than 4 controllers.

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by Human Torch

I own both the 360 and PS3. After this years NHL07 on 360, I'll start buying the sports games for PS3 only as it can support more than 4 controllers.

But doesn't the 360 have better online capabilities? THat way you can play with 4 players, no?

[Jagger]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

Wii - Why didn't they put some actual next gen graphics in it? (And no, the answer 'they aren't targeting people looking for good graphics'...hell ps2 and xbox have better graphics than it does)

That's not a fair statement at this point. The wii has roughly twice the graphical capabilities of the gamecube. However, most of the game so far are direct cube ports. The cube actually has fairly decent graphics, certainly better than the PS2, and close to an XBox. (I own all three systems).

Perhaps I'm old school, having played games on all systems since the 80's, but it really shouldn't be all about the graphics in any case. If it matters to you though, I'm sure the wii will be just fine in that department given time, albeit not up to the other consoles standards.

[fanforever1986]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

I take issue with the bolded statement just based on the fact that the Wii while not "next-gen" graphics, it is a beefed-up version of the Gamecube, which - I know this may shock Sony fanboys - has BETTER graphics than the PS2, and was comparable to the Xbox - so saying that the Wii has worse graphics than the Xbox or PS2 is just plain wrong.

From popular mechanics:
When it comes to the actual specs, the Xbox is the most powerful with a 733-MHz processor, leaving PS2 and GameCube in the dust at 295 and 485 MHz, respectively.

hardly comparable

In any event, say what you want about nintendos graphics, but they're wii screenshots are worse than xbox was.

Wii


Xbox

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

From popular mechanics:
When it comes to the actual specs, the Xbox is the most powerful with a 733-MHz processor, leaving PS2 and GameCube in the dust at 295 and 485 MHz, respectively.

hardly comparable

In any event, say what you want about nintendos graphics, but they're wii screenshots are worse than xbox was.

Wii


Xbox

Um, I fail to see the difference in graphical quality. Perhaps you should look at getting Identical screenshots from each system to get a proper comparisson.

The quality of both shots looks the same to me.

Edit: NM you took it from XBOX not XBOX 360. HOwever remember that NFS Carbon on the Wii is an XBox port

[Human Torch]

Originally Posted by JimmytheT

But doesn't the 360 have better online capabilities? THat way you can play with 4 players, no?

Nah, this is for house parties. Ever since ps1 I've been using a multitap to fill out all 5 roster spots with human players. It's fun setting up plays and high fiving on goals.

[SpitFire40]

I don't think anyone can say that the Wii is next gen in terms of graphics. But it is in innovation.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by 20-12-22

Really then all those reports coming out when the specs were revealed are clueless too, my bad i forgot that 64MB can keep any amount data ready just like that. Next thing youll tell me is that a game on a cartridge can whole alot of data. Fact is if they want to add next generation technology to games like hockey and madden and keep all the extras like franchise mode or new modes they need to add data and programming, not just porting from other consoles. And eventually having a limited amount of memory will catch up. Will it matter for the party games, not one bit. But if you think games like madden and such arent extensive your crazy, and if you think there gonna come out with a version modelled for the wii its gonna require power.

And i never said i hated the console i said it was pretty fun for hte hour i tried it but i wouldnt buy it. And it definately does have the software support i would enjoy.

A statement like

Originally Posted by 20-12-22

Itll be intersting to see if they'll be able to master the controls of the wii for games like madden. Expecially with a limited amount of memory to work with

Is totally false not to mention illogical.

You seem to have no idea how console architecture works. Assigning a numbers match up like a horsepower shouting match has much less relevance when discussing vastly different gaming architectures. The PS2 itself had only 32MB of rdram and like only 16kb of cache. The PS2 was designed not to rely on memory, rather pipelined data and I don't see any memory complaints there leading to lack of "controls" or "modes".

Arguing system superiority with baseless numbers arguments shows ignorance of how to make these numbers actually meaningful. Nobody is going to ever claim that the Wii is more powerful than a PS3 in terms of raw processing power or graphical capability but you seem to be confusing system memory with media capacity which are two very very different things.

You could fit every single instruction set for the full controls of a sports game like Madden onto an archaic floppy disc with room to spare. It's just code. Memory is for caching things like sound or graphics textures/models so they are ready for access by the system's processor. I can't even grasp how you could think that the (actually 88MB of system memory and 3GB of GPU memory) would somehow impinge on the ability of the system to hold extras like a "franchise mode or new modes they need to add data and programming". Those things are dependant on media capacity as every system will load into memory when required...and the Wii's 12cm discs can be up to or more than 9GB in capacity. I hope you don't think the Wii actually uses cartidges (which theoretically can hold as much data as they want, depending on the internal capacity of ROM inside). Strip away the graphics and videos from any game and you'll see how small they actually are.

The Wii (as well as the Xbox 360) will never match the PS3 in terms of graphics resolution or polygon pumping capability...but the games can just as easily be as complex, challenging, or simply just fun or even moreso in terms of actual design and gameplay. I know of a lot of people that enjoy something like NHL '95 as much as they would '05.

I'm sorry for that little rant but I have little tolerance for people claiming things like that. (Caveat: I'm not any real authority on the matter either but at least I try to do my research first).

Back on topic of this thread, if you are interested in mainstream sports games as they are and have been for years, go with the Xbox 360. Sports games will never be at the upper echelon of graphics, they are never designed to be, most even use ported engines from the previous year's incarnation...I don't know what the Wii will bring in the future but it probably won't bring you NHL '07 as you know and love. It'll probably have some wierd offbeat derivative hockey type games but the main franchises will stay on Xbox 360 and PS3...and the PS3 is too expensive and lacking in a proper games library at the moment and the foreseeable near future.

Personally, I haven't had a chance to try it yet but think I too would grow tired of the Wii's novelty afterawhile (I have grown tired of the DS's touchscreen). That said, I have tried and have a PS3 on preorder and I love playing the PS3 on a large high def screen and the graphics will draw you in for hours...but I miss the days when you had to use a little of your imagination. I would still play Blades of Steel than most modern hockey games anyway. I'm sorry but great graphics are there to further your suspension of disbelief but those colored rings under players in hockey games always knocks me back to reality and I end up not caring at all how nice the game looks.

One more thing, the Wii has Virtual Console which basically lets you play old games from the NES, Super Nintendo, or Genesis which you can download with the Wii. Those of you who do like for instance...NHL '95 might just be able to play them if Nintendo makes them available on Virtual Console. Nintendo Ice Hockey was just recentely released on Virtual Console.

[Draug]

^^^^ Was thinking someone should post information like that!

Now I dont have to.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by Draug

However, this time next year, I expect the PS3 to dominate in terms of quality of games.

Why? Every developer has said they have essentially equal graphical capabilities. The PS3 will do some things better and the 360 will do some things better. Neither one will be tapped out until the end of the console life. Just as the PS2 and Xbox were not tapped out. PRograms make great strides every year on how to do things better and faster.

Remember these PS3 launch games are not typical launch games. Many of them received nearly an extra year of development time then they normally would have.

The PS3 is a good machine but it isn't the be all and end all of console gaming far from it. At most it has a touch more power than a console released a year earlier...and that power is much harder to harness. Do not be surprised to see many indpendent developers just port games from the 360 to the PS3 instead of building it on the PS3. The results will be that many games that appear on both systems will probably be inferior on the PS3.

Also, from everything I've read HD-DVD is often providing a better picture than Blu-Ray. HD-DVD is currently winning the "buzz" battle. Who knows if they win the war. BUt I do know that if a standalone Blu-ray player costs $1000 and a PS3 which has a player and many other uses only costs $700, well then the Blu-ray drive quality in the PS3 is not likely to be good.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by fanforever1986

Here are the the 3 questions I have about each console..


360 - Why the hell can't they make the games backwards compatiable with orginal xbox, especially when they release 2 systems so close together and people spend $100's if not $1000's on games and accessories?

I'll be buying a 360 after christmas sometime.

Umm some games are backwards compatible. I've played Ghost Recon from my xbox on my 360.. You need to have xbox live to be able to be backwards compatible I believe.

Here's a list.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/back...ygameslist.htm

[tripin_billie]

In Hockey News, Nintendo's 1988 NES "Ice Hockey" was just released on the virtual console in North America yesterday. I waited to make this my firt Wii Virtual Console purchase. Woot.

I think I might get an xbox 360 after the first price drop, but until then, the Wii and my pc are keeping me very entertained. And, if EA does a Wii specific NHL 08, I will be in heaven, and might rethink getting a 360 and just invest that money into a better pc (I need to replace mine badly).

[Sparks]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present:



"Billy DeQuentleson: The 10 Time Internet Video Game Arguing Champion"

"You'll never beat me! Nyaa!"
- B. DeQuentleson

[JimmytheT]

Originally Posted by Sparks

Ladies and gentlemen, I present:



"Billy DeQuentleson: The 10 Time Internet Video Game Arguing Champion"

"You'll never beat me! Nyaa!"
- B. DeQuentleson

I like his hiked up, magenta colored pants and huge glasses.

[Fozzie_DeBear]

Here is a question...what is stopping MS and Sony from developing a comparable controller to the Wii (patents, straight out engineering challenges)? And I am not talking about the 6 axis crap that came with the PS3, but a truly comparable controller?

IF Xbox 360/PS3 had such a controller and developers were able to create titles for it, where would that leave the Wii?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

Here is a question...what is stopping MS and Sony from developing a comparable controller to the Wii (patents, straight out engineering challenges)? And I am not talking about the 6 axis crap that came with the PS3, but a truly comparable controller?

IF Xbox 360/PS3 had such a controller and developers were able to create titles for it, where would that leave the Wii?

Good question. I'm wondering if something isn't already in the works.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

IF Xbox 360/PS3 had such a controller and developers were able to create titles for it, where would that leave the Wii?

Probably smiling. You know that they're looking to change the gaming market, and so far they're doing that. The next system that Nintendo comes out with will certainly have HD output. By that time HD will be standard.

I don't have an HD TV so I don't see why I would get a 360 or a PS3 right now.

You want proof that Nintendo has got the market they were looking for? I haven't bought a system since SNES. I'll be buying a Wii as soon as I can get my hands on one.