[Rumour] Calgary looking at getting a goalie

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Price at 50% retained I think Montreal would expect a lot back in return.

An A prospect, young roster player and a 1st rounder.

Price is still an elite goaltender. Like you said, he just plays for a trash team with horrible management.

Price at 5.25 is an amazing deal.

I like this thinking. The team might ooze another level of confidence if that were to happen!

[Poe969]

I think price is a pipedream but if all it took was Bennett/Janko Valimaki and a first and Smith, you do it. The Flames biggest hole is in net, if getting one of Saros, Korpisalo, Varlamov, Dell, or another good goalie is an option it has to be done. It can't be at any cost but I would trade most anyone except a select few.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think price is a pipedream but if all it took was Bennett/Janko Valimaki and a first and Smith, you do it. The Flames biggest hole is in net, if getting one of Saros, Korpisalo, Varlamov, Dell, or another good goalie is an option it has to be done. It can't be at any cost but I would trade most anyone except a select few.

Bennett/Janko + Valimaki + 1st + Smith for Saros/Korpisalo/Varlamov/Dell? I'm speechless

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Bennett/Janko + Valimaki + 1st + Smith for Saros/Korpisalo/Varlamov/Dell? I'm speechless

He was talking about Price. Carey Price.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

He was talking about Price. Carey Price.

My bad, I thought he was referring to the price being those guys for one of the goalies listed

[GreenLantern2814]

In a trade for Price, who do you give up? Bennett or Jankowski?

Much as I love Jankowski, I have to think it's he's who Bergevin would accept. Montreal has to bring back a centre who actually plays centre.

From the Flames side of things, you've got your #1 and #2 established for at least the next two or three years. You just signed Derek Ryan, and you still have Bennett on the roster and Dube knocking on the door.

I don't want to trade Jankowski, but I have no compunction about moving him for the guy Mike Babcock starts when he has to win best on best international tournaments.

[calgarywinning]

Mike Smith is absolutely a competitor and an outstanding goalie. However, the schedule and with no clear backup coming into play I would be super happy to see something occur on this front. You can't play a season with one goaltender in today's game. We've got some assets to move that are redundant.

While I was discouraged to think about Brad Treliving losing his job over goaltending after all his moves in the offseason, I think if we gave up some "assets" to pull someone in on goal, we'd be really well positioned.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

In a trade for Price, who do you give up? Bennett or Jankowski?

Much as I love Jankowski, I have to think it's he's who Bergevin would accept. Montreal has to bring back a centre who actually plays centre.

From the Flames side of things, you've got your #1 and #2 established for at least the next two or three years. You just signed Derek Ryan, and you still have Bennett on the roster and Dube knocking on the door.

I don't want to trade Jankowski, but I have no compunction about moving him for the guy Mike Babcock starts when he has to win best on best international tournaments.

Well yeah...

If you can get Carey Price for half his contract and you have to give up BOTH Jankowski and Benett and a 1st and Valimaki, you do so and happily go on your way.

Carey Price is either the best or second best goalie in the game. He had a bad year last year, behind a truly bad team, but he's a gamechanging goalie. Price would be under contract until 38, which is perfectly fine for a goalie of his caliber, and while $10 million makes me think twice, $5 million is a steal.

Kipper used to steal a lot of games for us, and while you don't necessarily NEED elite goaltending to win, it's rare to win a lot of games without really excellent goaltending, especially in the playoffs.

I have no qualms giving up two bottom half roster players, a very good, but not blue chip, defense prospect, and a 1st for a guy who would make a world of difference for a team that's been looking for a goalie ever since Kipper retired.

[Poe969]

Yes, I meant that deal for Price. I would give up one of those pieces for saris or Korpisalo or another good starter.

I feel this team is deep on forward and on D and losing a player wouldn't hurt to much because there are prospects knocking on the door. I would happily trade the potential of Bennett for the potential of Saros.

[Lanny_McDonald]

This team must be very careful about the assets it gives away moving forward. There is a significant talent gap in the system that was very similar to what Darryl Sutter left behind after he chased the brass ring for a couple of seasons. When the sugar high ended the system was in complete disarray and the team crashed hard. I don’t think we want to experience that again. Players like Bennett and Jankowski are needed for depth and salary cap control. All of our prospects on defense are going to be pressed into action over the next two years as we prepare for the probable departure of Stone, Brodie, and Hamonic. The system is already very thin as Treliving has traded away quality asset after quality asset. We can’t afford to be dealing away any more futures IMO. We need to make a Kiprusoff type deal where find a gem in the rough for next to nothing, and that player turns into a starter. That or we trust our own development system and give our players actual chances to prove themselves.

[Yoho]

I’d be very impressed if the Habs ate 5mil x 8 years.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Bobrovski. Make it happen.

[Toonage]

I would imagine part of the Saros appeal is the $1.5M per year for the next three years. All this talk of Price, even at half the contract, is absurd.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

This team must be very careful about the assets it gives away moving forward. There is a significant talent gap in the system that was very similar to what Darryl Sutter left behind after he chased the brass ring for a couple of seasons. When the sugar high ended the system was in complete disarray and the team crashed hard. I don’t think we want to experience that again. Players like Bennett and Jankowski are needed for depth and salary cap control. All of our prospects on defense are going to be pressed into action over the next two years as we prepare for the probable departure of Stone, Brodie, and Hamonic. The system is already very thin as Treliving has traded away quality asset after quality asset. We can’t afford to be dealing away any more futures IMO. We need to make a Kiprusoff type deal where find a gem in the rough for next to nothing, and that player turns into a starter. That or we trust our own development system and give our players actual chances to prove themselves.

Outside of the 2018 draft I don’t see how the system is in such bad shape. Thanks to the second Hamilton trade the Flames recouped the 1st rounder they moved in 2015 to get him initially (Hanifin).

2014- 1st, 2 2nds (draft doesn’t look good at all today)
2015 - 1st, 2 2nds
2016- 1st , 2 2nds
2017 - 1st
2018- nothing.

We can’t count 2013 as that was 5 years ago and before Treliving but we had 6 players drafted in the first round and it appears only 2 will be core players and they are signed as core players.

Having said that I agree with you fully that he can’t afford to give away more futures but with the incoming cap crunch next summer he may be forced to trade an existing player on contract for picks.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I would imagine part of the Saros appeal is the $1.5M per year for the next three years. All this talk of Price, even at half the contract, is absurd.

You wouldn't take Carey Price for $1M more than Mike Smith?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You wouldn't take Carey Price for $1M more than Mike Smith?

Not for the massive return that would demand.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

...Having said that I agree with you fully that he can’t afford to give away more futures but with the incoming cap crunch next summer he may be forced to trade an existing player on contract for picks.

I more or less agree that the hyperbole in New Era's post regarding futures is off the mark, but I also think he is absolutely correct about the importance of holding on to futures right now. I see a lot of discussion on either pole of this topic, with little taking place in the middle: Yes, the Flames situation in goal is not ideal, and it most certainly is something that needs to be addressed soon. But no, things are not so dire that something must happen today.

I am not surprised to hear that Treliving is actively working to upgrade in goal, and to provide some long-term stability, but I think this is yet another piece in a long process toward building a winner. I think it most likely that the Flames enter the season with the current group, and I would be against making a big deal for a goalie today because of the likely high cost. There is still time to make fruitful changes even after this season, and I expect that Treliving likewise takes a longer view of this.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You wouldn't take Carey Price for $1M more than Mike Smith?

Honestly, no. His recent injury issues worry the heck out of me.

Not to mention that sure, his contract in $ would be close to what Smith earns now, but then they'd be on the hook for darn near the next decade. Thats a long time, which makes me circle right back to injury concerns.

Saros (as noted in the link) is being looked at because he is young and ready to take the reigns. Thats exactly what the guy reporting this is saying, that Treliving is looking at young guys ready to take the next step which is also why this talk of Price makes no sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You wouldn't take Carey Price for $1M more than Mike Smith?

It's not just that though, it's the cost. And the cost is that it would absolutely decimate our depth. We would be seriously tight to the cap, with no depth and very little in the way of prospects.

Who does that sound like to you?

[ricardodw]

I think there is a better chance for the Flames to be looking at a low risk high upside reclamation project like Lack rather than taking on a NHL goalie level contract and giving up prospects.


Steve Mason is a year removed from being a reasonable comparable to Mike Smith.

I don't think he has signed with anyone... This is getting close to the time where the PTO are negotiated or even a 1M deal would provide a good chance for a 12 wins in 20 start backup.

He was awful at the start of the year 0-3 with the Jets and was injured for the the rest of the year but was 5-3 after Hellebuyck took over as starter. He seems to be a solid team guy and and was not a distraction for the Jets and Hellebuyck.