08-14-2018, 01:47 PM
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#301
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
The entire subplot was worth it for the moment when Cap stepped out of the shadows though.
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If Cap and Stark were at odds and hadn't communicated since "Civil War"...
Where did he get the cool new shields ? Suit ?? Etc...
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08-14-2018, 01:47 PM
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#302
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Lifetime Suspension
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Hey now, I think the way they handled SW and Vision was the best thing they could have done.
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08-14-2018, 02:00 PM
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#303
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The best part of the Vision-Scarlet Witch storyline was gaining the knowledge that there are places in Scotland that will deep fry your kebab.
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08-14-2018, 02:18 PM
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#304
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Originally Posted by blankall
He started off as an ultra-intelligent robot with fairly good command of his infinity gem's powers.
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Honestly, both Vision and Strange were pretty ineffectual given that they were using infinity stones... especially when the movie opens by demonstrating that Thanos can use the power stone to make the Hulk his bitch without even breaking a sweat. Strange and Vision, meanwhile, both get owned by bad guys who then turn out to be kind of... wimps. I mentioned the Corvus Glaive thing above, but the same is true of Ebony Maw. He mocks Strange, captures him with relative ease despite being hassled by Spider Man, and then... that's all it takes to kill this guy? Seriously, Strange couldn't handle him?
Just some weird nerfing of the guys who are supposed to be the more powerful characters in the group.
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08-14-2018, 02:33 PM
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#305
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
You are all objectively wrong. Everything about IW was absolutely perfect.
The Vision/Scarlet Witch storyline was touching. Given how many characters and events are going on, we didn't have time for a full blown romantic subplot. Just put 2 and 2 together and fill in the blanks for any relationship stuff we missed.
The "least interesting part of IW" is still 10,000 better than anything in any DC movie since TDK.
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It's not a contest between studios.
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08-14-2018, 02:40 PM
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#306
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Originally Posted by blankall
It's not a contest between studios.
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Well Marvel (Disney) and DC (WB) are in competition for our money and fandom. And they get money and fandom based on movie quality and box office performance. So I'd say that it literally is a contest between studios.
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08-14-2018, 02:48 PM
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#307
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Honestly, both Vision and Strange were pretty ineffectual given that they were using infinity stones...
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Strange didn't use his though. Thanos even mentioned it was odd Strange didn't use his most powerful weapon.
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08-14-2018, 02:53 PM
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#308
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Well Marvel (Disney) and DC (WB) are in competition for our money and fandom. And they get money and fandom based on movie quality and box office performance. So I'd say that it literally is a contest between studios.
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...or I could go see other movies, or no movies at all.
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08-14-2018, 02:55 PM
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One of the Nine
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Because Strange knew this was the only way.
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08-14-2018, 02:57 PM
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It's not easy being green!
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Originally Posted by Nufy
If Cap and Stark were at odds and hadn't communicated since "Civil War"...
Where did he get the cool new shields ? Suit ?? Etc...
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Wakanda.. Black Panther even yells: 'Get this man a shield'
The power balance for all the battles seemed way out of whack. Like - someone from Thanos' group would seem unbelievably powerful and crush someone who was powerful, then they'd be easily defeated by someone else that they should have been able to handle. Same thing with Team Avengers. So weird.
As for Thanos commenting on Strange not using the time stone.. Strange said he watched over 14 million timelines and there was only one where they were able to defeat Thanos. Which I'm guessing is the one where they give him all the stones. Something will happen in the next movie that will revert all of this.
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08-14-2018, 02:58 PM
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#311
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rock, paper, scissors
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08-14-2018, 02:58 PM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Nufy
If Cap and Stark were at odds and hadn't communicated since "Civil War"...
Where did he get the cool new shields ? Suit ?? Etc...
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So, you havent seen this yet eh?
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08-14-2018, 03:28 PM
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#313
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Originally Posted by Nufy
If Cap and Stark were at odds and hadn't communicated since "Civil War"...
Where did he get the cool new shields ? Suit ?? Etc...
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Steve has a wealthy Wakandan sugar daddy.
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08-14-2018, 03:47 PM
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#314
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by kermitology
Wakanda.. Black Panther even yells: 'Get this man a shield'
The power balance for all the battles seemed way out of whack. Like - someone from Thanos' group would seem unbelievably powerful and crush someone who was powerful, then they'd be easily defeated by someone else that they should have been able to handle. Same thing with Team Avengers. So weird.
As for Thanos commenting on Strange not using the time stone.. Strange said he watched over 14 million timelines and there was only one where they were able to defeat Thanos. Which I'm guessing is the one where they give him all the stones. Something will happen in the next movie that will revert all of this.
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One of my biggest gripes was how they over projected the Dr. Strange time stone thing. I'm sure they'll throw in some twists that will make it more exciting though.
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08-14-2018, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kermitology
As for Thanos commenting on Strange not using the time stone.. Strange said he watched over 14 million timelines and there was only one where they were able to defeat Thanos. Which I'm guessing is the one where they give him all the stones. Something will happen in the next movie that will revert all of this.
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100% agree. Not only that, Stark must be alive for the 1 successful timeline to occur I'd wager.
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08-14-2018, 05:49 PM
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I didn't hate the Vision and Wanda parts and they did enough to establish their relationship and set up the emotional impact at the end. They were just average parts of an otherwise superb film. Looking at the scenes to start:
1. Epic opening scene so good.
2. Tony Stark cool! Oh here is Strange and Banner, super cool!
3. Epic battle in New York.
4. The Avenger/Guardian meeting we have all been waiting for! Really cool and funny.
5. Then we get Vision and Wanda which slows down the movie and it takes a while to pick up the pace.
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
100% agree. Not only that, Stark must be alive for the 1 successful timeline to occur I'd wager.
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Yep, I thought that was obvious. When they first met Strange said he would give up the lives of anyone to protect the Stone yet after checking the timelines he instead gave up the stone to save Stark. Not to mention Strange stood in silence and made no attempt to stop Quill from ruining their plan.
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08-14-2018, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
100% agree. Not only that, Stark must be alive for the 1 successful timeline to occur I'd wager.
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I suspect it's actually this, rather than Thanos having to get all the stones in order for them to win.
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Originally Posted by GreenLantern
Because Strange knew this was the only way.
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Except he didn't when he was fighting Ebony Maw on Earth, which is what I was talking about. It's just sort of jarring when you have this ultra-powerful character who gets easily handled by a villain, and then the villain is himself easily killed with, essentially, a gag death. Seriously, he's powerful enough to handle the Sorcerer Supreme with ease, but can't survive someone blowing a hole in his space ship?
I remember Joss Whedon talking about having to make sense of an Avengers team with wildly different levels of power and being consistent about that. In this movie they just seemed to give people whatever power level was convenient to the plot at the time, regardless of consistency with prior films. It's not like it ruined the movie or anything close to it, but I noticed it.
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08-15-2018, 01:36 AM
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#318
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I suspect it's actually this, rather than Thanos having to get all the stones in order for them to win.
Except he didn't when he was fighting Ebony Maw on Earth, which is what I was talking about. It's just sort of jarring when you have this ultra-powerful character who gets easily handled by a villain, and then the villain is himself easily killed with, essentially, a gag death. Seriously, he's powerful enough to handle the Sorcerer Supreme with ease, but can't survive someone blowing a hole in his space ship?
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It could be some characters match up better than others or like that scene where a pre super soldier Steve Rogers pulled a pin to drop the flag pole to capture the flag, thinking outside the box and surprising a villain is the best way to defeat him
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08-15-2018, 09:41 AM
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Norm!
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So looking outside of my window, this is what the world would look like over the first few days after half of the population turned to dusk.
Sorry cough . . . I just inhaled Groot
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08-15-2018, 10:15 AM
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One of the Nine
Join Date: Jul 2007
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I think that there will be more sacrifice to come, some deaths will be reversed obviously Black Panther and Spider-Man are cornerstones right now that have movies still to come, but there will be permanent death, there has to be.
Most likely Cap or IonMan laying down their life, both have expressed interest in moving on from the franchise.
I also think GoTG 3 will be about them saving Gamora from inside the red stone, forget its name right now, soulstone? Thanos talking to her in there after he snapped his fingers I believe was a hint to that.
In the second viewing that cut to black at the end has such a great impact. My wife was in the middle of asking me a question then it cut to black and she yelled "WAIT THATS IT!?!??" it was great.
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